Warcraft has copied many things of Warhammer, but Warhammer Online has copied many things of World of Warcraft.

Christ, this community is hopeless...

im sorry to make this my first post but warcraft has been around for 10-15 years or so (im talkting about the single player orcs vs humans) maybe less.

warhammerer i was playing with the minatures when i was 9-10yo and im probally the oldest guy here so warcraft is a COMPLETE RIPOFF of warhammer.. and yes i play warcraft.. but i know what it is

Here is the deal. World of Warcraft is the very first MMO for millions of people. They don't realize that MMO's go back into the 90s with Ultima Online. Everquest was the first true 3d MMO. MUDs are in their very essence an MMO. If you bring these games to your first time WoWer, they look at you clueless. They don't get the fact WoW isn't a unique game in any way. It's just another MMO based on Blizzard's RTS games. The RTS games are pulled quite heavily from the Warhammer IP. Because these WoWer's don't realize their game isn't the first, they think anything to follow it is ripping from "their game".

Quite frankly, just from the stuff Mythic has released about WAR, the combat system isn't even close to WoW.
CC doesn't exist.
Long duration buffs don't exist.
Stealth is minimal at best.
There will be attacks that chain off attacks from members in your group.
None of that exists in WoW. It has a ton of CC, a lot of long duration buffs and Stealth is a core component of WoW. And chained attacks between party members? Doesn't exist. There are only chained attacks for yourself..i.e....Rogue Combo points.

Just seeing a video of gameplay footage doesn't give you even a clue of how it plays.  It's just showing you animations and what the game will look like.

Originally posted by Gameloading
Warcraft has copied many things of Warhammer, but Warhammer Online has copied many things of World of Warcraft.

So, in essence, Warhammer copied itself?

Originally posted by Adythiel
Here is the deal. World of Warcraft is the very first MMO for millions of people. They don't realize that MMO's go back into the 90s with Ultima Online. Everquest was the first true 3d MMO.

The most SAD fact there ever was. I know at least 5 WoW players who are completely canned and doesn't care about any other online game. They judge before they even look at them.

Bring more WoW players to MMORPG.com for crist sake. Everybody!

Originally posted by Kullvak
Orc's were first made popular by Tolken in 1937 when he published The Hobbit.  Before that they were simply parts of old european legends.  The one that Tolkin actually took the word from was Beowulf.

So quit argueing about if Warcraft or Warhammer is correct.  Because nether of them match Tolkin's Orcs.  They are all differnent creatures for the respective worlds they belong in.

I play Wow, and plan on playing War as well.  bonafidee is correct in saying they are simply improving on ideas used since MMORPG's came out.

GW made orcs green, and are the traditional orcs most games follow.  Tusks, violent, big muscular, stupid; that pretty much sums games up. IMO Tolkien should not get credit for making average orcs what they are, GW should.

Orcs in the Warhammer universe come from Space Mushrooms.

 That's why there are no female greenskins.

 

all i have to say is...they stole it all from me


damn them all to hell

Originally posted by aspiin
all i have to say is...they stole it all from me


damn them all to hell

LOL best comment #2 this week I've read ^^

Originally posted by bonafidee
    OMG its got a hotbar WOW-RIPOFF . OMG its got scrolling combat text WOW-RIPOFF. OMG its got quests WOW-RIPOFF. OMG its got "cartoony" graphics. OMG its got weapons WOW-RIPOFF!!!
    Incase you couldnt tell, I am being sarcastic. MMORPG's were around for about 8 years before world of warcraft and will be around long after it dies.
    I hate MMORPG virgins that pop their cherry on warcraft and think its gods gift to gamers. WoW basically just ripped off the best bits of previous MMORPG's and made them noob friendly. Warhammer online is the next step in evolution.
    It happens with every genre of games. Can you really call Half-life 2 a rip off of the Doom franchise because they both use first person with guns? No, of course not, that would be rediculous. That is exactly what you are doing when you say Warhammer is ripping off Warcraft.

True

 

Sorry wrong thread

 

The problem with this WoW vs WAR topic, it will never end it seems.  People dont realise they are two different worlds of their own game. It doesnt matter who did this first and who did that last. We can see that WoW itself being on the MMO out there first is recognised by many people and even to those that just started their first ever MMO. WoW appeals to them and people are enjoying and seeing this to be the great game out there. So we all know WoW itself is a big game and has a big market for people to enjoy.

So as time goes by , finally Warhammer being popular on its old type of games such as the classic Warhammer RTS , Dark Omen and even the Table Top game from Games workshop its huge and its big. People do recognise all of that and now finally they make it to an MMO which we all could see that there are similiarities to WoW because of some layouts such as UI and even characters seeing Orcs and Dwarfs . But it can't be helped how an orc is to look like an orc and they are called orcs , what else is Warhammer IP going to call them and how they look when they are just putting in what Games Workshop designed them to be. There is no other way , they can't change the colour of orcs or looks all because World of Warcraft made an orc and they may seem a bit similiar.  This applies to dwarfs as well and so we see people that are shallow will just say , WoW clone because they dont bother to think and realise that WAR is coming into an MMO community to be recognised in " IT's " own right.

People should just see that the difference that WAR will make is that they will create an RVR experience for raids and people will be involved in either side of whomever fights whom to which the World and field of play will be moved by how people are involved to those that create success against others . People work together to fight against one another purely and their rewards are given for what they done. 

WoW we can see that people get their Best Tier set no. #  from mainly the PvE aspects of raids of facing NPC bosses for their best rewards.

In the end we just hope people would not just judge a game by the looks and say this is the same when each game has their goals which are set different. WAR is for a RvR experience and  WoW is for PvE experience mainly to set their targets different.  We will also notice that the classes in WAR will be different from how WoW plays so they are not clones but 2 seperate games altogether. I hope this clarifies enough for people to understand and somehow people would just end this rant this clone or that.  Just enjoy the wait or if not interested then dont bother but for those that do anticipate the game like myself. I cant wait and hope to see what the end result would be like once WAR finally comes out.

so the final result is........War is better then WoW anyday

Please guys. Quit bumping this stupid thread. Let it die.

Originally posted by outthislife
All WoW did was take ideas from WAR and other games in the same category and polish it.

That's all it takes to make 8 million people retarded.

Can't say any better then this

Originally posted by Chosen1

Originally posted by outthislife
All WoW did was take ideas from WAR and other games in the same category and polish it.

That's all it takes to make 8 million people retarded.

Can't say any better then this

Bah now ya fished this shoe up again >:( You should'a let this thread sink into the deep!

*adds 500 LBS of weight to the thread so it will sink and never come back again*

Actually there is a reason Warcraft is so much like Warhammer.

Supposedly, back in the day Blizzard was making a Warhammer-based RTS. It turned out that either Games Workshop didn't accept it or that they pulled out. I guess Blizzard didn't want to just give up so they changed a little bit from the Warhammer universe and thus Warcraft was born. So really it's not TOTALLY a ripoff, although it annoys the hell out of me when people say GW ripped off Blizz, an it always has even before the days of WoW.

As far as ripping off Tolkein, I would have to say Warhammer does not. Orcs in Tolkein's stories are very different from the Orcs of Warhammer and WoW. Bretonnians, Skaven, the Empire, Chaos, Tomb Kings, Dark Elves, and Vampire Counts are all almost completely unique to the Wathammer universe. Warhammer's Wood Elves differ from Tolkein's Wood Elves. The main similarities between Tolkein and Warhammer are found in the High Elves and even stronger in the Dwarfs. Besides, what fantasy game doesn't owe at least a part of it's roots to Tolkein. It's the same in sci-fi- most sci-fi novels, games, tv shows, etc. owe a lot to Starship Troopers (the old books, not the movies) or Star Wars.

I don't know if the part about Warcraft and Warhammer has been discussed yet, I'm too lazy to read all of the posts

i know war was around longer then wow, but you know what, if WAR ends up being a level grind, then a gear grind, just to reroll a class cause theres nothing left to do and there is no such thing as real pvp, then i will claim WAR ripped off WOW.

i doubt ill end up playing this game neways, from my understanding there won't be hydrids, it will be the same ol plain and simple paper rock scissors where you pick a class, and thats it and everyone else who picked a class has the same spells/skills as you. I could be wrong but if thats the case then this game already is crap in my book. But i wouldn't mind at all being proven wrong.

Originally posted by Hydro101

i know war was around longer then wow, but you know what, if WAR ends up being a level grind, then a gear grind, just to reroll a class cause theres nothing left to do and there is no such thing as real pvp, then i will claim WAR ripped off WOW.

i doubt ill end up playing this game neways, from my understanding there won't be hydrids, it will be the same ol plain and simple paper rock scissors where you pick a class, and thats it and everyone else who picked a class has the same spells/skills as you. I could be wrong but if thats the case then this game already is crap in my book. But i wouldn't mind at all being proven wrong.

Whatever it turns out to be I'm almost certain it will be of much more quality and depth than what's to offer on the MMORPG dining table by today.

Perhaps not ALL games, but all games that are focused on PvP and somewhat item farming.