Hi everyone. I am the Art Director on the Thrones of Chaos team. A fan of the game (yes, some still do exist, apparently) concerned about these threads emailed me asking me to give some input.

I can't say a lot as I'm bound by NDA. First though, I do know for a fact that LoudAntSoft is an imposter and not the real Colton. Please disregard any of his posts. The real Colton has already asked mmorpg.com to ban him.

Regarding the Thrones of Chaos game: Age of Mourning and Realms of Torment (older versions of the game) were real games that simply never made it. Age of Mourning was shut down due to too many bugs and not enough funding. We bought the game with the intent to finish it. We resolved almost all the bugs that kept Mourning from launch, and the engine is currently around 90% complete (perhaps more actually). That leaves us with content and gameplay mechanics, of which there are a lot yet to produce.

The bad news is, there aren't many publishers interested in "the most brutal pvp experience of all time." We took a risk by targeting a niche market, and investors don't like risk. There is a lot of interest however in the engine itself. We shut down our own forums because they had become a flame war, and flame wars don't look good to investors. Without investors there will never be a ToC game. That said, ToC is not entirely dead. We are currently focusing instead on making the engine a marketable product on its own to raise funds.

To sum it all up, massively multiplayer games are some of the most expensive projects out there, and ToC is no exception. Unless an angel investor with an interest in pvp online games appears out of thin air we're just going to have to focus on making some short term income before we can even think about completing ToC.

I know that many people here on the mmorpg.com forums have hated Thrones of Chaos since the beginning and will probably flame me for this post until the end of time. Since I have no interest in a flame war, and have already said everything I could in answer to the request I recieved, I won't be posting here again. I hope any fans that do remain will be able to look past all the hatred in this community.

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Originally posted by KrisWood
Hi everyone. I am the Art Director on the Thrones of Chaos team. A fan of the game (yes, some still do exist, apparently) concerned about these threads emailed me asking me to give some input.

I can't say a lot as I'm bound by NDA. First though, I do know for a fact that LoudAntSoft is an imposter and not the real Colton. Please disregard any of his posts. The real Colton has already asked mmorpg.com to ban him.

Regarding the Thrones of Chaos game: Age of Mourning and Realms of Torment (older versions of the game) were real games that simply never made it. Age of Mourning was shut down due to too many bugs and not enough funding. We bought the game with the intent to finish it. We resolved almost all the bugs that kept Mourning from launch, and the engine is currently around 90% complete (perhaps more actually). That leaves us with content and gameplay mechanics, of which there are a lot yet to produce.

The bad news is, there aren't many publishers interested in "the most brutal pvp experience of all time." We took a risk by targeting a niche market, and investors don't like risk. There is a lot of interest however in the engine itself. We shut down our own forums because they had become a flame war, and flame wars don't look good to investors. Without investors there will never be a ToC game. That said, ToC is not entirely dead. We are currently focusing instead on making the engine a marketable product on its own to raise funds.

To sum it all up, massively multiplayer games are some of the most expensive projects out there, and ToC is no exception. Unless an angel investor with an interest in pvp online games appears out of thin air we're just going to have to focus on making some short term income before we can even think about completing ToC.

I know that many people here on the mmorpg.com forums have hated Thrones of Chaos since the beginning and will probably flame me for this post until the end of time. Since I have no interest in a flame war, and have already said everything I could in answer to the request I recieved, I won't be posting here again. I hope any fans that do remain will be able to look past all the hatred in this community.

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I don't think the management of this site is going to fall for the same tricks again nor will it's community. Anyone who believes TOC is a viable product is a fool, anyone touching it will end up in the mess.

Originally posted by KrisWood


stuff

where can i preorder?

Originally posted by paade

Originally posted by KrisWood


stuff

where can i preorder?

lmfao last time I did that I ended up with a whole coon!



Good thing KrisWood is on the winning side... I kind of feel bad for that guy... Assuming he is for real and not one of Colton's multipul personalities.

Ive very very occasionally seen information on this, and only very slightly know what the full story is, so it would be entirely biased of me to base anything I say on that.

However what I can say, is any developer, proffesional or otherwise involved in a project that actively argues with critics, complainers etc on another site, and through mediums provided by another company, then they obviously aren't the sort of people you would want to havd you money.

I remember reading things about the legal threats etc (not sure who was running the show at the time) but I honestly couldn't beleive someone working on a game, especially in a significant role, or head of the team would resort to the childish threats of suing people and taking them to court for slander and such.

I come on here everyday, and see people saying about how some game or another sucks, and buying it would be a waste of money, developers are assholes, I didnt see the sigil staff on here last week telling people to expect lawsuits. Even dark and light, where the people running the show are basically becoming criminals doesnt have its staff on here threating lawsuits for libel and slander or whatever.

The last person that said they were going to sue me, was a kid I pushed over playing football (soccor for our american friends) who said he was going to sue me. I was age 7 at the time, it was 14 years ago, at the time, I was terrified I was going to be arrested. However now im 21, and know better, so unless the dev team for that game were 7 years old, or think they are dealing with 7 year old children, then I don't know what they expected to acheive, other than trying to bully people into being quiet.

However perhaps we should stop goading them, considering MMORPG.com host this site for their own business, and they do provide a good service, so maybe people should stop winding up idiots from some vapourware game, and leave them with no excuse for cluttering up the site with garbage posts.

Finally, if any of the team for this game are actually reading this, then here's some friendly advice for you. The next time someone slanders your game, instead of getting your pretend lawyers to do the talking, or arguinging with people who hate your game, why not forget it, and go back to work on what your doing, because releasing a working game with what you promise to deliver is the proof that people are wrong. If you need to become involved in petty spats and arguements on a MMO board, then obviously your game cant speak for itself, and each post just makes you look even worse.

I just found this posted by cmoney69 at the nwp site page 29.

From: Colton Burgess [mailto:colton@thronesofchaos.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 9:08 PM
To: support@mmorpg.com
Subject: Why banned?

I was just trying to defend myself from the constant abuse.

Colton

From: support@mmorpg.com

Defend yourself or not, your actions on our forum violated our rules, over and over and over. We had over 20 posts where you were spamming (just typing junk like “sdfsdsdf”) and other posts where you were calling people idiots, etc. Even to defend yourself we do not allow attacks on other members…you are to report them and forget about it. Defend yourself, but do it without playground mentality.

I have to tell you, here at MMORPG.com we are faced with 2 options based on the recent actions of LoudAnt which we find to be extremely unprofessional. Our options are to remove Thrones of Chaos or post a warning to our users on the game page advising players to use caution when dealing with your company. I cannot refer people to your products without at least a warning…this is just completely out of line and every staff member here feels this way.

For the life of me I cannot figure why you would behave the way you are in public like that. People insult my website, my policies, myself personally and I would never lash back as you have…ever. People are saying they want to do horrible things to Jon Smedly, and many other game company founders and you would never see them doing what you are. If you are going to run a business you have to have thick skin, going around and threatening people and ordering PI’s to investigate them is really making you look like you have something to hide.

You were actually banned days ago, but due to an error in our system since the new site your ban was not fully in effect.

Craig McGregor

MMORPG.com

Originally posted by Welles

I just found this posted by cmoney69 at the nwp site page 29.

From: Colton Burgess [mailto:colton@thronesofchaos.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 9:08 PM
To: support@mmorpg.com
Subject: Why banned?

I was just trying to defend myself from the constant abuse.

Colton

From: support@mmorpg.com

Defend yourself or not, your actions on our forum violated our rules, over and over and over. We had over 20 posts where you were spamming (just typing junk like “sdfsdsdf”) and other posts where you were calling people idiots, etc. Even to defend yourself we do not allow attacks on other members…you are to report them and forget about it. Defend yourself, but do it without playground mentality.

I have to tell you, here at MMORPG.com we are faced with 2 options based on the recent actions of LoudAnt which we find to be extremely unprofessional. Our options are to remove Thrones of Chaos or post a warning to our users on the game page advising players to use caution when dealing with your company. I cannot refer people to your products without at least a warning…this is just completely out of line and every staff member here feels this way.

For the life of me I cannot figure why you would behave the way you are in public like that. People insult my website, my policies, myself personally and I would never lash back as you have…ever. People are saying they want to do horrible things to Jon Smedly, and many other game company founders and you would never see them doing what you are. If you are going to run a business you have to have thick skin, going around and threatening people and ordering PI’s to investigate them is really making you look like you have something to hide.

You were actually banned days ago, but due to an error in our system since the new site your ban was not fully in effect.

Craig McGregor

MMORPG.com

I CANT STOP LAUGHING! BOW to Craig McGregor bow!

Best soap opera EVAR!

Originally posted by Warfan
Best soap opera EVAR!

Hehe...Yeah it is!

Originally posted by KrisWood
 First though, I do know for a fact that LoudAntSoft is an imposter and not the real Colton. Please disregard any of his posts. The real Colton has already asked mmorpg.com to ban him.

Who are you trying to fool? Do you honnestly think we're stupid or something?

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Originally posted by Gameloading

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Originally posted by KrisWood
First though, I do know for a fact that LoudAntSoft is an imposter and not the real Colton. Please disregard any of his posts. The real Colton has already asked mmorpg.com to ban him.

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Who are you trying to fool? Do you honnestly think we're stupid or something?

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The e-mail posted by cmoney69 at nwn which was sent to Colton from mmorpg.com management confirms that cmoney69 and loudantsoft's Colton are the same person. KrisWood is just another one of Colton's alt accounts. Another thing that makes this ridiculous is that if it was an impostor that wanted to ruin loudantsoft they wouldn't be hiring PI's to investigate someone for reporting Colton to government agencies, they would support the action to report him if they were disgruntled employees or impostors.

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by KrisWood
 First though, I do know for a fact that LoudAntSoft is an imposter and not the real Colton. Please disregard any of his posts. The real Colton has already asked mmorpg.com to ban him.

Who are you trying to fool? Do you honnestly think we're stupid or something?

Not that I know or care who he is, but if you do a simple search there is a "Kris Wood" who has a portfolio, made mods and, in Aug 2006, was excited to be "actually getting paid for 3d modelling for the game industry". www2.slothworks.com/portfolio/ I've got to give that Colton guy credit, if it's all a cash grab he did good pre-planning.

This soap opera is getting too difficult to follow, I'm out.

Originally posted by tetsul

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by KrisWood
 First though, I do know for a fact that LoudAntSoft is an imposter and not the real Colton. Please disregard any of his posts. The real Colton has already asked mmorpg.com to ban him.

Who are you trying to fool? Do you honnestly think we're stupid or something?

Not that I know or care who he is, but if you do a simple search there is a "Kris Wood" who has a portfolio, made mods and, in Aug 2006, was excited to be "actually getting paid for 3d modelling for the game industry". www2.slothworks.com/portfolio/ I've got to give that Colton guy credit, if it's all a cash grab he did good pre-planning.

This soap opera is getting too difficult to follow, I'm out.

Your wrong on all accounts.

1.) That’s not Kris, as the post above yours said its just yet another one of Colton's MANY identities
2.) Colton can not make a dime off a game if he purchased it and sold it with a defunct company. It would be illegal and he would be in hot water.

3.) You can follow this, it just requires a lot of reading.

Edited: To add spelling flava

Originally posted by Maphusio

Originally posted by tetsul

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by KrisWood
 First though, I do know for a fact that LoudAntSoft is an imposter and not the real Colton. Please disregard any of his posts. The real Colton has already asked mmorpg.com to ban him.

Who are you trying to fool? Do you honnestly think we're stupid or something?

Not that I know or care who he is, but if you do a simple search there is a "Kris Wood" who has a portfolio, made mods and, in Aug 2006, was excited to be "actually getting paid for 3d modelling for the game industry". www2.slothworks.com/portfolio/ I've got to give that Colton guy credit, if it's all a cash grab he did good pre-planning.

This soap opera is getting too difficult to follow, I'm out.

Your wrong on all accounts.

1.) That’s not Kris, as the post above yours said its just yet another one of Colton's MANY identities
2.) Colton can not make a dime off a game if he purchased it and sold it with a defunct company. It would be illegal and he would be in hot water.

3.) You can follow this, it just requires a lot of reading.

Edited: To add spelling flava

No, thats incorrect actually. I took a look at KrisWood's webpage, I added him to my MSN list and had a chat with him. The poster, KrisWood, is indeed the real Kris Wood, Not Colton.

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Maphusio

Originally posted by tetsul

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by KrisWood
 First though, I do know for a fact that LoudAntSoft is an imposter and not the real Colton. Please disregard any of his posts. The real Colton has already asked mmorpg.com to ban him.

Who are you trying to fool? Do you honnestly think we're stupid or something?

Not that I know or care who he is, but if you do a simple search there is a "Kris Wood" who has a portfolio, made mods and, in Aug 2006, was excited to be "actually getting paid for 3d modelling for the game industry". www2.slothworks.com/portfolio/ I've got to give that Colton guy credit, if it's all a cash grab he did good pre-planning.

This soap opera is getting too difficult to follow, I'm out.

Your wrong on all accounts.

1.) That’s not Kris, as the post above yours said its just yet another one of Colton's MANY identities
2.) Colton can not make a dime off a game if he purchased it and sold it with a defunct company. It would be illegal and he would be in hot water.

3.) You can follow this, it just requires a lot of reading.

Edited: To add spelling flava

No, thats incorrect actually. I took a look at KrisWood's webpage, I added him to my MSN list and had a chat with him. The poster, KrisWood, is indeed the real Kris Wood, Not Colton.

True

BUT

Whos to say that the person you added to your MSN list and talked to on MSN wasn't Colton?  It's easy to create alts...alt website, alt screenames for MSN messengers, etc

Personally, I think it's Colton.  It's called years of following the Mourning Bullsh*t drama. Hell....I wouldn't put it past Colton and Ego to even be related or connected somehow. 

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Maphusio

Originally posted by tetsul

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by KrisWood
 First though, I do know for a fact that LoudAntSoft is an imposter and not the real Colton. Please disregard any of his posts. The real Colton has already asked mmorpg.com to ban him.

Who are you trying to fool? Do you honnestly think we're stupid or something?

Not that I know or care who he is, but if you do a simple search there is a "Kris Wood" who has a portfolio, made mods and, in Aug 2006, was excited to be "actually getting paid for 3d modelling for the game industry". www2.slothworks.com/portfolio/ I've got to give that Colton guy credit, if it's all a cash grab he did good pre-planning.

This soap opera is getting too difficult to follow, I'm out.

Your wrong on all accounts.

1.) That’s not Kris, as the post above yours said its just yet another one of Colton's MANY identities
2.) Colton can not make a dime off a game if he purchased it and sold it with a defunct company. It would be illegal and he would be in hot water.

3.) You can follow this, it just requires a lot of reading.

Edited: To add spelling flava

No, thats incorrect actually. I took a look at KrisWood's webpage, I added him to my MSN list and had a chat with him. The poster, KrisWood, is indeed the real Kris Wood, Not Colton.

You can lie to yourself if you want to Gameloading, but that was not Mr. Wood. If the identity he speaks of in his ONLY post at MMORPG.COM "Loud Ant Software" on was an imposter then that would imply that this website was not only negligent in its duties but unbelievably ignorant of them as well. It would also imply that all of the other identities we have known Colton to be using on other websites were not Mr. Colton Burgress at all, but an imposter or "evil doer" if you will, bent on slander and defamation of character with the ultimate goal of discrediting LAS and its beloved CEO to finally put  to the grave Mourning, Realms of Krel, ToC what ever the hell its called.

If we are to believe what you say than this would suggest that the identity found at nwn posting about conversations that took place on these forums and with the staff of mmorpg.com is also a made up identify. We could take a look at krelslibrary.org and see the identity Colton has there and it too would have to be an "imposter". Never mind that the IP logged for that identity posted from Oregon every time accept for one instance... "Coltonb" posted from Hawaii at approximately the same time he claimed he was on some fabulous vacation to Hawaii because of the exorbitant amounts of money he makes being a fanny pack wearing ass hole that has some strange affection toward jobless fat people.
 
So furthermore, in conclusion, hence, consequently and therefore the fulcrum or primmer bringing all of these identities together are their acknowledgement of each other and the masterfully crafted posts tracking back to Oregon and Hawaii. Of course the apparent ban of LoudAntSoftware here on MMORPG.COM and conversations between this site and Colton discredit what this Mr. Wood would have you believe as well.

 

Now that we have come full swing and all ran out of breath reading my long, patronizing run-on sentences. We can rest assured that we will never hear from Mr. Burgress or his various imaginary accomplices and defunct companies bent on insults, harassment, and lies toward you and me. -Maph

Thrones of Chaos site is back up...

www.ThronesofChaos.com

Originally posted by Enigma

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Maphusio

Originally posted by tetsul

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by KrisWood
 First though, I do know for a fact that LoudAntSoft is an imposter and not the real Colton. Please disregard any of his posts. The real Colton has already asked mmorpg.com to ban him.

Who are you trying to fool? Do you honnestly think we're stupid or something?

Not that I know or care who he is, but if you do a simple search there is a "Kris Wood" who has a portfolio, made mods and, in Aug 2006, was excited to be "actually getting paid for 3d modelling for the game industry". www2.slothworks.com/portfolio/ I've got to give that Colton guy credit, if it's all a cash grab he did good pre-planning.

This soap opera is getting too difficult to follow, I'm out.

Your wrong on all accounts.

1.) That’s not Kris, as the post above yours said its just yet another one of Colton's MANY identities
2.) Colton can not make a dime off a game if he purchased it and sold it with a defunct company. It would be illegal and he would be in hot water.

3.) You can follow this, it just requires a lot of reading.

Edited: To add spelling flava

No, thats incorrect actually. I took a look at KrisWood's webpage, I added him to my MSN list and had a chat with him. The poster, KrisWood, is indeed the real Kris Wood, Not Colton.

True

BUT

Whos to say that the person you added to your MSN list and talked to on MSN wasn't Colton?  It's easy to create alts...alt website, alt screenames for MSN messengers, etc

Personally, I think it's Colton.  It's called years of following the Mourning Bullsh*t drama. Hell....I wouldn't put it past Colton and Ego to even be related or connected somehow. 

I find that a bit extreme to be honnest,

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Enigma

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Maphusio

Originally posted by tetsul

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by KrisWood
 First though, I do know for a fact that LoudAntSoft is an imposter and not the real Colton. Please disregard any of his posts. The real Colton has already asked mmorpg.com to ban him.

Who are you trying to fool? Do you honnestly think we're stupid or something?

Not that I know or care who he is, but if you do a simple search there is a "Kris Wood" who has a portfolio, made mods and, in Aug 2006, was excited to be "actually getting paid for 3d modelling for the game industry". www2.slothworks.com/portfolio/ I've got to give that Colton guy credit, if it's all a cash grab he did good pre-planning.

This soap opera is getting too difficult to follow, I'm out.

Your wrong on all accounts.

1.) That’s not Kris, as the post above yours said its just yet another one of Colton's MANY identities
2.) Colton can not make a dime off a game if he purchased it and sold it with a defunct company. It would be illegal and he would be in hot water.

3.) You can follow this, it just requires a lot of reading.

Edited: To add spelling flava

No, thats incorrect actually. I took a look at KrisWood's webpage, I added him to my MSN list and had a chat with him. The poster, KrisWood, is indeed the real Kris Wood, Not Colton.

True

BUT

Whos to say that the person you added to your MSN list and talked to on MSN wasn't Colton?  It's easy to create alts...alt website, alt screenames for MSN messengers, etc

Personally, I think it's Colton.  It's called years of following the Mourning Bullsh*t drama. Hell....I wouldn't put it past Colton and Ego to even be related or connected somehow. 

I find that a bit extreme to be honnest,

Well I guess you will just have to read all of the history about this to have a "honest" understanding of it all.