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Mrbloodworth  1/29/07 12:36:29 PM

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"pleasantly paralyzed"

Experience:


So, i had a diplomacy issue.

I went to silky venom.... Other than it not being able to load correctly (They have since switched hosting)... There was a thread on the subject.

I look at it, it didn’t have a resolution.

Went to Ten-ton-hammer. There’s a thread.... No resolution, no dev post.

Went to 4 other sites.... Each had a thread on this issue. No resolution, no dev post... Save for the most under populated site.

It had a thread, and a dev post.


Isn’t this great? I wasted an hour looking for a development post about a largely common issue, only to find ONE (1) dev post on the subject.... on the least visited site of the 20 they have listed.

What was that resolution you ask? "Keep an eye on the affiliate sites for the resolution to this problem".

"Sweet, witch one?"

 

Opinion:

I just want to say, if they are not going to provide the same services as other mmo's, then they need to lower my subscription by 2$.

Shirking off the responsibility of maintaining of community forums is sad. “Because we don’t want to deal with it” is a lame excuse.

Having to search 20 fan sites of debatable quality is frustrating, not to mention they all have speculative information, and some times contradict.

Trying to pass this off as an “Easer more reliable solution” is just completely unsupportive of your customer base, your wasting our time, because it is not.

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Lidane  1/29/07 1:09:13 PM

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Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Opinion:


I just want to say, if they are not going to provide the same services as other mmo's, then they need to lower my subscription by 2$

Shirking off the responsibility of maintaining of community forums is sad. “Because we don’t want to deal with it” is a lame excuse

Having to search 20 fan sites of debatable quality is frustrating, not to mention they all have speculative information, and some times contradict.

Trying to pass this off as an “Easer more reliable solution” is just completely unsupportive of your customer base, your wasting our time, because it is not.


Oh, but come on now. You're just being unreasonable.

Didn't you know that having to search through 20 different, often contradictory fansites is a much more hardcore, next-gen way of doing things? You wouldn't want to be spoonfed the information by getting it from the official site now, would you? That would just be too easy, and would ruin your gamer cred.

Just wait until they start posting by specialization, like some people hope. Not only will you have to patrol 20 different fansites for common issues, but you'd also have to go to fansites and message boards for each of the different races and professions in order to find out that you should watch the fansites for any developments.
 
KombatJesus  1/29/07 1:15:59 PM

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What makes you think it would have been any differen if there was an official forum?  Do you think that same lone developer would have posted any differently? Or do you think a resolution would have been found already?

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Yukkione  1/29/07 1:17:10 PM

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I would agree. It's a given with modern games that the company supply a website that contains the proper forums to answer player questions. Especially in this day and age of digital downloads which enables them to save money by not shipping a physical boxed product or providing a printed manual. I love the Silkyvenom site but come on, Sigil employees are not monitoring threads and answering question as part of their job. Relying on the fan base to perform such intrinsic duties as troubleshooting is just greedy bad business. I say that as someone who really likes Vanguard too. Give us a break on the subscription you cheap bastards.
 
Lidane  1/29/07 1:20:37 PM

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Originally posted by KombatJesus
What makes you think it would have been any differen if there was an official forum?  Do you think that same lone developer would have posted any differently? Or do you think a resolution would have been found already?

The point is this-- with an official forum, he wouldn't have had to waste an hour to get a message from a dev that it was a known issue and that it was being worked on. It would have taken just a few minutes at best.

Instead, he had to go through 20 different sites looking for answers, only to find out that there wasn't one and that he should watch the fansites for information. How is that even remotely helpful?
 
FullMetalAlc  1/29/07 1:28:01 PM

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Originally posted by KombatJesus
What makes you think it would have been any differen if there was an official forum?  Do you think that same lone developer would have posted any differently? Or do you think a resolution would have been found already?

Can you read? He was upset he had to visit 20 different sites to dig up information that should be readily available from one centralized location, since the question deals with game breaking technical issues.

He wasn't complaining about a fix or lack thereof. He was merely frustrated that the customer is treated like a red headed step child in terms of support because Sigil is to cheap/lazy to host a forum and pay someone to moderate.

Jeez, Jesus.

 
Mrbloodworth  1/29/07 1:32:05 PM

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Originally posted by KombatJesus
What makes you think it would have been any differen if there was an official forum?  Do you think that same lone developer would have posted any differently? Or do you think a resolution would have been found already?

The posting would have been in one place for one...on one site, the official one. I would not have had to hunt 10 different sites.

Also, any know workarounds by players would have all be contained in one, central place. Not 10 sites.

What don’t you get about this?

We all pay around 15$ for these games, we all expect the same level of support for the product and services we buy, why can vanguard charge the same, yet not supply this level of support for a subscription based services, while placing that role in the hands of its players..., and STILL charging the same amount. It not really about the money for me, its about the FRUSTRATION OF HAVING TO LOOK AT 20 SITES FOR ONE THING, when it could have been so simple to just look in one place.

 

As for “They are all a bunch of wine-fests” = “You reap what you sow” Cultivate a helpful community, and you will have one. Cultivate a wine session, and you will have one.

 

This is not the fans responsibility, we are the customers. It’s the publisher’s responsibility to ensure that your customers have the same level, if not better, support for your product as others on the market.

All while Frustrating the player base.


I guess you like wasting your time looking at 20 sites? Is that why each and every thread about this topic you post in support of a "Decentralized community"?

 

You know, that a "Decentralized community" has been used in the past?

 

By an oppressive leadership/goverments.

"Keep them stupid, keep them apart, keep them uninformed, and you’ll have less chance of an uprising when you do something wrong".

 

This is the same mentality.


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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me

"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123

"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.

How are you?" -Me

anarchyart  1/29/07 1:36:19 PM

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Any problem I have had in game I have been able to resolve by asking my guild or politely asking people in the chat channels in game. Would this method have worked in your case Bloodworth?

FullMetalAlc  1/29/07 1:41:58 PM