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Level Grind -> Item Grind -> Raid Grind -> PVP Grind != Fun to me.

It was playable for a couple of months. But is stupidly repetitive and easy. It is pretty much a MMORPG on training wheels. Unfortunately it is a sign of things to come in the future.

I still disagree with the lore. I played all the warcraft games (yes, im a bit of a fanboy) and from the books i read in WoW that i remember, it all tied back in with the original 2 games and the lore they had. Im not sure if you ever played the first 2, but in their instruction books they had quite a bit of lore and background information. I personally didnt think it was that bad but that was back in the 90's.

are you saying that warcraft doesnt have any lore, or that WoW just doesn't do as good of a job informing the player about the world?

Originally posted by Celestian

The real question is why does mmorpg.com have a love affair with EvE. Best PVE game? Holy crap.

Originally posted by Kyleran
... your gaming tastes will mature and you'll understand why people have come to hate it ...

Originally posted by Xasapis

Originally posted by Kyleran
... your gaming tastes will mature and you'll understand why people have come to hate it ...

It boggles me to think that a game has such a severe impact on somebody that he entertains such strong emotions as hate. Maybe it's the only gaming gender that has such an impact on players (perhaps due to the time commitment).

WoW has a strong impact on the gaming industry, perhaps the strongest any MMO could claim. Whether it is a "good" game, is for the most part irrelevant, since it's too subjective to whatever everyone is looking in a game. To say though that the gender will suffer because of WoW is naive, in my opinion. Lets face it, the next game people will want to play will need to have everything good their current has + more, sometimes alot more than what their current game offers. Look at the people in this forums. They dislike WoW because it does not have the x feature their old game had. Whatever comes after WoW will need to build upon it's legacy and expand. I doubt even Blizzard could make another WoW clone and sell the same way they did with WoW (why would somebody buy a Starcraft MMO for example if it plays the same as WoW?).

To dismiss the features WoW offered would not be a wise course for future developers. They need to build upon them, expand, include new ideas and polish them. Build upon the strengths of the gender, remove the weaknesses, add inovations, that's how things will progress. Starting from scratch is ... risky. People don't seem to want revolutionary gameplay, so many games with radical ideas have flopped. People seem to want evolution. Evolution may lead to different paths of course, but it is unwise to ignore the past knowledge.

Look at it this way. Would you respect a film director that produces films that please the critics or the audience?

If you read my post in this thread, you will see your response is basically a rebuke to mine. I will have to hand it to you you raise a very valid point and I hope you are correct. Bad thing is, the game development process takes forever and I will prob be more into wheelchair races than video games when we finally get the game the MMO GENRE deserves.

Originally posted by fasa

It's certainly much better, pve-wise, than loads of games out there.

Originally posted by Floppy

I still disagree with the lore. I played all the warcraft games (yes, im a bit of a fanboy) and from the books i read in WoW that i remember, it all tied back in with the original 2 games and the lore they had. Im not sure if you ever played the first 2, but in their instruction books they had quite a bit of lore and background information. I personally didnt think it was that bad but that was back in the 90's.

are you saying that warcraft doesnt have any lore, or that WoW just doesn't do as good of a job informing the player about the world?

Look at it this way. Would you respect a film director that produces films that please the critics or the audience?

Originally posted by Xasapis

Originally posted by fasa

It's certainly much better, pve-wise, than loads of games out there.

EVE is different. It's not necessarily better or worse than it's fantacy counterparts. It's a different setting and it plays in a different way. It's one of those very few games that tried to be different and succeeded. So I guess people in this site like it because people tend to like the outsiders. It was a gamble to deviate from the norm, back in the days of EQ gameplay style. A gamble that paid off.