First of all - this is not hater post. I really anticipated Vanguard, and enjoyed playing the beta.

When I first started I was appaled by blandness of graphic , and how badly it performed on my system.
But with newer patches, and some extensive ini tweaks - game started to look good and run at 15-25 fps

Just for reference my specs : Amd 64 300+ (1.8ghz) , 1 gig ram, ati X700 250gb ram.

Everything seemed fine and dandy. Yes i had bit of extensive HD hitching due to low ram, but all in all it was quite playable , and it really looked nice.

Well

Until i went to high elf starting area LN. Then the problems began. Hitching has gotten much worse. I was freezing all the time , and had some long loading times. We went down to adventure area dungeons - It is when i started lagging away from the group and dying due to HD hitching that i started to realise how grim was the situation.

But it was nothing yet , because my system started crushing. I died, crushed, froze, and died again ... 

Tommorow i just wondered LN , and crushed over and over ... especially in the palace - i couldnt even go out (open the door) without crushing. I had to use recall just to escape this area withouth game tumbling down....

I had to return to wood elf starter forests , there crushing didnt happen.

And this all happening on last day of beta.

Bad...

So what should i do. As i said , I will not upgrade the system just to play VG. It is the only game I need to upgrade system for , everything runs just fine.

So it will be like i am paying 300$ justy to play Vanguard...it doesnt feel right.

I was even ready to cope with HD hitching and Lag. But what should i do with crushes? What if i buy the game , and see it is unplayable due to system stability?

I just read new patch notes stating " Video memory manager updated to hopefully reduce the number of  "out of video memory" crashes clients are experiencing."

This is most likely why i was crushing... but the beta is over (at least will be when i get home from work)

And i will have no way to test this....

So sadly I have to conclude that I will not be able to play Vanguard
  

True Nikoz

But look...

Upgrading to 2gb mem. No other game except MMO and heavy resource one like Vanguard doesnt really benefit from this.
Only other game that supposedly benefits from 2 gig is Battlefield 2142 - I play it with no problem whatsoever on 1 gig.
(look at gamespot tests). Outside of Gaming - 1 gig is quite enough for everything.

Upgrading gfx card is useless because , first dx10 gfx cards will soon become standard. And buying to good gfx card with my processor will just bottleneck the system anyway...

But i will keep my eyes on Vanguard. If people start reporting benefitial patches, and system optimisations - i am going to buy it in a second

Originally posted by Nikoz78
Rattrap, I don't think it would be a bad idea to upgrade your system anyway. Your specs are high enough to play Vanguard on, just turn down some of the settings and pick the ones most important to you. But if you do decide to upgrade it would not be just be for Vanguard, it would take you into the future a bit as well. Just a thought.

You are going to find a lot of people who would like to play this game and can't.  I certainly will not buy it either.

None of the other MMO's coming out this year have the severe,  high end requirements of Vanguard.

Personally I don't think we were playing beta, it was more like alpha testing to me.  Beta starts when everyone starts paying for it.

This game reminds me of the SWG launch, a year away from a decent game.

Rattrap, this is something like the 5th post i've seen you make trying to downgrade vanguard in the past few days. Each of your posts you have said about how vanguard is crap and you are not going to play it, every time you just rewrite the same old thing but in a new post.

You are trying to create a bad impression of vanguard, that possible buyers will come to this forum, see your post and decide not to play vanguard because you keep posting bad things about it over and over.

Originally posted by Ciredric

You are going to find a lot of people who would like to play this game and can't.  I certainly will not buy it either.

None of the other MMO's coming out this year have the severe,  high end requirements of Vanguard.

Personally I don't think we were playing beta, it was more like alpha testing to me.  Beta starts when everyone starts paying for it.

This game reminds me of the SWG launch, a year away from a decent game.

What do you expect? with the soe word in the game?.

May the force will be with all the Future vanguard players, this time..

Well I've had the same problem, I tried the beta yesterday and I really had some problems with the lagg.. But this is to be expected, first of all it is a beta and there is bound to be some problems. They will probably solve the problem in future patches as u said.  And overcrowded starter areas doesn't excactly make it a lot better.

Had the same problem when I played the WoW beta, but the game turned up pretty good.
I am confident that the VG developers will fix this..

Originally posted by mrmeloni

Rattrap, this is something like the 5th post i've seen you make trying to downgrade vanguard in the past few days. Each of your posts you have said about how vanguard is crap and you are not going to play it, every time you just rewrite the same old thing but in a new post.

You are trying to create a bad impression of vanguard, that possible buyers will come to this forum, see your post and decide not to play vanguard because you keep posting bad things about it over and over.

This is so untrue.

So having low spec PC , trying to play but experiencing big problems , and finnaly informing people about it ( hopefully people with similar spec will thake head , because i tested extensively - and i really wanted to play the game )

All this is some big scheme to force people not to play Vanguard !?

Guess what not true!

Vanguard is great game with TONS of potential ! If you have 2gb ram - no doubt about it - PLAY IT !!!  Recommended !

However with my specs, it is problematic

Also beware there is some bad seeds in VG community - people like mrmeloni - are oppsesive agresive individuals that might ruin your gameplay.

Thanks god they are minority

3.2GHz, 1.5gig ram, GeForce 7300 GS 256MB and it runs just fine...So errr maybe you should think about making some space on your comp.

There is 1,000 things that I could say is wrong. AMD is overrated, simply said. AND you should check out pricewatch. You could get a very cheap BRAND NEW gig of ram if you look. So wherever you got 300 for a upgrade?? I don't see that.. Unless your computer only has one RAM slot then all I have to say is garbage.

Just for reference my specs : Amd 64 300+ (1.8ghz) , 1 gig ram, ati X700 250gb ram.

Well your system is really outdated.  X700  that card came out in the Summer of 2004 its a bit dated. Im guessing your memoery is a lil outdated as well.

This game does require alot on a computer system.. As we progress into more of the gaming future it is inevitable to upgrade a four year old system.  Unless it is a top of the line from four years ago.. by looking at your specs I would say it wasnt.

WIth that said I am surprised you got that good of frame rates.

Intel celeron 1.75ghz Ati X1300 and 2 gigs of Corsair xms pc400   the game on highest performance was getting 18-20 fps in open and unplayable in the huge cities with frame rates from 0.5-5 fps

If you want to play the big games of today you have to get a Computer system to play them.  Not saying you have to have a behemoth  godly gaming system. But surely cant expect too much from a 4+ year old computer.

             Ok my specs are these : pentium 4 , 3.00 GHz , 1.5 Mb ram , 6600 gt. At highest perfomance I get 50-60 fps outside towns, 40+ inside,  but still get plenty of hitching when loading new things. I hope part of that will is the debugging program running, and all the patching going on. I usually play the game in 1600x1050 since thats the native resolution of my widescreen monitor. Unfortunately if I play in any other resolution , every game looks crap . For the beta mostly I played at balanced and with no tweeks at ini, or options. Main reason is I wanted to see what progress was being made during beta in both how the world looked and how the game improved running on my system. I went from 10+ fps, to 20+ fps on balance , with no tweeks , and 1600x1050 resolution, during the 3 weeks. Still the game will not be playble in most circumstances (grouping, raiding, in big citys with many npc and pc running around), unless someone drops to highest performance , sacrificing looks for performance. Same thing happens to me at EQ2 with my comp. I am able to play balanced most of the time , but during raids or in certain zones (ie castle mistmoore) I have to drop to extreme performance.

                Thats my exp from running the game currently. Basically you will get the same problems you get with running new games that are graphics heavy (oblivion, gothic 3, NWN2) with an older pc. I am willing to live with that . I am of the opinion that it is much better to get the best out of the current technology when making a game , and then let the prices catch up , rather than putting out a game with sub par graphics that an older setup can run flawlesly. Withing the next 6 months the prices of the top video cards and todays best cpu's will have fallen so as to be affordable by the low end user.

               Having said all that, I have already ordered my new setup which I will have within 7-8 days. Core duo 6600, 4 meg ram, ati x195oxtx. I already had made my mind up for the upgrade before, since I was at a point that nothing played as good as I would like too. Will try post how it runs with my new baby too.

Originally posted by Rattrap

Originally posted by mrmeloni

Rattrap, this is something like the 5th post i've seen you make trying to downgrade vanguard in the past few days. Each of your posts you have said about how vanguard is crap and you are not going to play it, every time you just rewrite the same old thing but in a new post.

You are trying to create a bad impression of vanguard, that possible buyers will come to this forum, see your post and decide not to play vanguard because you keep posting bad things about it over and over.

This is so untrue.

So having low spec PC , trying to play but experiencing big problems , and finnaly informing people about it ( hopefully people with similar spec will thake head , because i tested extensively - and i really wanted to play the game )

All this is some big scheme to force people not to play Vanguard !?

Guess what not true!

Vanguard is great game with TONS of potential ! If you have 2gb ram - no doubt about it - PLAY IT !!!  Recommended !

However with my specs, it is problematic

 

Also beware there is some bad seeds in VG community - people like mrmeloni - are oppsesive agresive individuals that might ruin your gameplay.

Thanks god they are minority

OK

Just for all the posters that claim my system is really OUTDATED, 4 years old , and how extra RAM costs like pack of boubblegum

NOT EVERYONE LIVES IN USA !!!!

Perhaps you have the acces to best hardware for cheapest prices, but not everyone does.

I bought my computer less than 2 years ago. I bought best mother board (NForce) , best ram, best processor, and by the hells they had to order that X700 Ati , because none were sold in my country in that time ! PCX cards were totaly new thing.

Maybe it was not the most expensive system money could buy 2 years ago. But it was high performance gaming machine.

Now I know that many posters here - anyway just go to their mother and beg for new computer (or hardware) , and mommy gives them the money ...

 But unlike them. I work , rent a flat , pay for gas, food , eletricity, heat, hollidays ... and what not.

So dont tell me , upgrading computer is like nothing!

Vanguard costs 50$ + 15$ monthly , RAM at my place costs 120$

So it is 185$ just to play 2 months of Vanguard.

And dont tell me I am investing in future. Because my computer will be really outdated when Vista games come out. And i will have to buy new one , for real

Originally posted by DruNk_DwArF2

Ive been on the forums past few days and yes all you do is bring down the game with the same crap in a differnt thread...and stop bitching about your shitty PC no 1 wants to hear it..go upgrade and stfu

Hey kid

I have Idea! Why we dont go and beg your daddy to give me money for Ram? I mean he pays for your gaming , dont he?

And judging from that, i can conclude he is not too clever,

Because instead of paying for your education , he is paying you to play...

And everyone can see the sad result

Originally posted by Rattrap

First of all - this is not hater post. I really anticipated Vanguard, and enjoyed playing the beta.

When I first started I was appaled by blandness of graphic , and how badly it performed on my system.
But with newer patches, and some extensive ini tweaks - game started to look good and run at 15-25 fps

Just for reference my specs : Amd 64 300+ (1.8ghz) , 1 gig ram, ati X700 250gb ram.

Everything seemed fine and dandy. Yes i had bit of extensive HD hitching due to low ram, but all in all it was quite playable , and it really looked nice.

Well

Until i went to high elf starting area LN. Then the problems began. Hitching has gotten much worse. I was freezing all the time , and had some long loading times. We went down to adventure area dungeons - It is when i started lagging away from the group and dying due to HD hitching that i started to realise how grim was the situation.

But it was nothing yet , because my system started crushing. I died, crushed, froze, and died again ... 

Tommorow i just wondered LN , and crushed over and over ... especially in the palace - i couldnt even go out (open the door) without crushing. I had to use recall just to escape this area withouth game tumbling down....

I had to return to wood elf starter forests , there crushing didnt happen.

 

And this all happening on last day of beta.

Bad...

 

So what should i do. As i said , I will not upgrade the system just to play VG. It is the only game I need to upgrade system for , everything runs just fine.

So it will be like i am paying 300$ justy to play Vanguard...it doesnt feel right.

I was even ready to cope with HD hitching and Lag. But what should i do with crushes? What if i buy the game , and see it is unplayable due to system stability?

I just read new patch notes stating " Video memory manager updated to hopefully reduce the number of  "out of video memory" crashes clients are experiencing."

This is most likely why i was crushing... but the beta is over (at least will be when i get home from work)

And i will have no way to test this....

 

So sadly I have to conclude that I will not be able to play Vanguard
  

 

You know your just being silly and mellow-dramatic all at the same time. I mean how sad is your quote, "so it will be like I am paying $300 just to play Vanguard..." Don't you realize that if you upgrade your computer (and if you don't do it for Vanguard you will have to for any of the other mmorpgs currently in development and more than likely other single player games) that everything else will run better as well. Did you think your computer would last forever?

Personally I could care less if you played or not, but when I see a post as ignorant as this one, well... I can't help but feel a little embarrassed for you.

Rattrap don't be dissing that AMD 3000  too much, if it is Venice core you can still get a few miles out of it. A 30 dollar aftermarket CPU fan and you should be able to get 2.4 or 2.5out of it easy .. I had my wifes up to 2.7 but backed it off a touch. With a 256 meg 7900GT I clocked some 4500 + 3dMark 06 scores with it. Most games do not take advantage of duo cores yet so that is moot in most games. Vanguards engine does not for a fact. I am going to buy a pair of DX 10 cards later on this fall or winter when the prices drop to around 300 and Vista stabilizes and I really think she can get another year or two out of her machine until they start coding MMORPGs for multi threading. 

Originally posted by Rattrap

True Nikoz

But look...

Upgrading to 2gb mem. No other game except MMO and heavy resource one like Vanguard doesnt really benefit from this.
Only other game that supposedly benefits from 2 gig is Battlefield 2142 - I play it with no problem whatsoever on 1 gig.
(look at gamespot tests). Outside of Gaming - 1 gig is quite enough for everything.

Upgrading gfx card is useless because , first dx10 gfx cards will soon become standard. And buying to good gfx card with my processor will just bottleneck the system anyway...

 

But i will keep my eyes on Vanguard. If people start reporting benefitial patches, and system optimisations - i am going to buy it in a second

You know what

I change my mind

I AM GLAD I WILL NOT BE PLAYING VANGUARD

This forums are full of agressive little kids, that turn everything into FLAME WAR.

All of them have great computers, know everything there is to know about hardware. And all of them are so smart they buy hardware for the future games!

Yes you got it!

Why buy grafic cards when their prices drop, and when you really need them?

Buy the best - when the prices are huge, and for the games that will come out in 10 months! BE PREPARED!

And - yes go to gamespot. They do little performance testing on all new games.Find me one - they claim 2gig ram gives gret performance boost and i will "eat my hat" - by all the tests there 2 gig gives handfull of fps benefit.

------------

This is my last post in this forums.

I really never before have encountered the worse community sorounding the game. Agressive, arrogant, rude ... god help Vanguard if this is its future community

And as for my posts

I posted honest , and i hope - people that really want some objective info about the game , can get some input from my posts.