I wish it was longer but the 23rd sounds about right.  Estimated 3 day early start for preorders leaves 3 full days for Sigil to work on the game until launch.  I'm interested to see what these forums look like once the game goes live.  A person might be able to say something good about Vanguard without being flamed or called names.

Originally posted by Deron_Barak

I wish it was longer but the 23rd sounds about right.  Estimated 3 day early start for preorders leaves 3 full days for Sigil to work on the game until launch.  I'm interested to see what these forums look like once the game goes live.  A person might be able to say something good about Vanguard without being flamed or called names.

Your joking right? this is BashMMORPG.com after all, all those who like whatever game they are in are probly too busy playing it to post anything good about their respective games, Vanguard will get bashed to bits even if it ends up a smash hit in the end (ala EVE and WoW).

Like I said in my above post (which I do recommend you read before you flame me for this one, ta for the complements btw ) and game has potential to be a good game it's just gonna come out a tad ruff around the edges, and thanks to the uber polishedness of WoW, players are expecting the same off all newer titles now and they wont get it hence the 'disapointment'. I can name a lot of games that have 'crashed and burned' on release day and that have turned out after 6-12 months not nessercerly a 'smash hit' but have had a solid and loyal fanbase for a long time, Vanguard will be one of those games.

So ignoring the techical and coping 'issues' theres really nothing wrong with the game, it just isn't polished enough for some people.

As someone else said already I'm glad there are people who will pay while Vanguard continues to beta test this game maybe in a year or so it will be ready for prime time.

And it has little to do with the polish of WOW but getting what you pay for.

If they are going to give the game out for free I would tell everyone to get a copy but the fact is they are going to be charging the same as most other companies charge for a completed product even though the game is full of bugs and lacks content.

 I'm sure they will get it worked out in time but should I have to pay for that not only in terms of cash but with also putting up with the frustration of waiting for the bugs to be worked out, I don't think so.

Originally posted by Dento

 I'm sure they will get it worked out in time but should I have to pay for that not only in terms of cash but with also putting up with the frustration of waiting for the bugs to be worked out, I don't think so.

Then please don't play.  Developers have explained why they are releasing now (against their wishes) and promised to straighten things out in the coming months.

I'm willing to pay my sub fee and put up with the aggrevation for at least 3 months to see if they make forward progress.... if not... I'll drop and do something else.  I do so of my own free will.. those who don't want to... please go play something else and maybe we'll see you later this year.

Originally posted by Cerion

I'm really glad these games have fanbois who are willing to pay to beta test games that release too early.  While I do see many good things about Vanguard, it still has some shoddy quality to it.

1). Server crashes

2). CharGen is bugged. I've tried making two new characters is recent days, but as soon as I hit 'finish' several of my avatar's characteristics change--things like beard to no beard, or normal eyes to squinty eyes.

3). MOBs warping in combat.

4). Broken quests/tasks.

5). swimming animation and control is dodgy.

Those are issues I encounter without even really trying to break the game.

Everyone has their own opinon/comments; allow me to post mine:

1.) Performance: Wow unless you guys have your settings full blast I have to admit that my system is nothing compared to yours and I've had very very very litlte issues.

a.) AMD Athalon XP 2100~1.7Gig; this processor is what? (2-3 years old), Motherboard (2-3yrs old),  1 Gig Mushkin Black RAM (1yr old), GeForce 7800 GS AGP 256mb (less than 6 months old).

b.) Anyways the only problems I'm having is studdering, when the game first loads, at Character Creation Screen the music will pause a brief moment, and or crackle (probably due to my processor), when I'm in game and I'm moving around sometimes it freezes up for a min (total) but for the most part I can play the game.  I dont have my settings full blast, in fact I'm probably running 1024x768, though I will have to confirm.

c.) On this performance thing, isnt it a possiblity that Vanguard was made like that of EverQuest 2 that its built for years to come for upgrades etc.  That no rig can fully support what Vanguard has to offer? For instance when EverQuest 2 was released on launch day back in November of 2004, it could already support resolutions past 2000x2000 (or something like that); but not very many monitors out there supported that high.  So isnt it a possiblity that those that have new gaming systems/upgrades that if you choose a high setting you'll still lag because perhaps that neither can fully support all that Vanguard has to offer? (this is just a theory)

2.) Someone mentioned that Vanguard is the only title to be released this year that is well overdue; allow me to mention "Lord of the Rings Online: Shadows of Angmar".  I beta tested that game and am anticipating it too.

3.) I think the main reason I'm getting Vanguard is the fact that its already inlcuded into the Station Access Pass, I already play EverQuest 1 and 2, and or SWG so adding Vanguard doesnt up my price any :)

4.) Its probably true to almost any product released that there will be bugs.  I bet you that if youre using any Beta version of Vista you're saying to yourself "Dont release it to the public on January 30th 2007, its not ready yet" but either way we look at it, there will be updates available. So you can either choose to wait 6 months and download a couple gigs of patches or upgrade as you go from day to day.  This statement isnt to convert you to buy it, I'm just saying it would be easier to me to get updated patches rather than waiting 6 months and buy January 30ths retail version and then download 2-4gigs of patches and wait from 1hr to 10hrs.

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2.) Someone mentioned that Vanguard is the only title to be released this year that is well overdue; allow me to mention "Lord of the Rings Online: Shadows of Angmar". I beta tested that game and am anticipating it too.

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Actally you misread that if your taking about my post (assuming that becuase I didn't notice any other comment like that) I stated that Vanguard is the first title that has been released in a long time thats any good not the 'only title', and yes LOTR looks good, I hope to get access at least to give my 2 copper on it but thats another topic..

I experience bugs last night that I had not experienced before. My newly-rolled character was respawning far from the nearest altar, and actually quite far from any altar. Older bugs do not seem to be going away. The frequency of combat encounters where the mob I was fighting disappeared increased. I was actually told "cannot see opponent" in the middle of an effing open field, and it was effing killing me! The frequency of encounters where the mob's actual remaining life was not reflected in its displayed life also has not seemed to me to have decreased, in spite of published bug fix reports saying the problem has diminished. You've heard tell of the character graphics, and the stories are true.

I like the game, but it is being pushed out the door too soon. There has been a surprising amount of improvement since start of Beta 5, but there is still a substantial amount of improvement needed.

Vanguard would have been a good game if SOE never had their hands on it.  Since SOE is the distributor, Vanguard will be released too soon, never fix key bugs, and milk players money for a product that will never feel finished.  I was sickened by thier shoveling out the expansions and adventure packs that had to be purchased instead of adressing the issues players cared about.

I will never play another SOE game again. 

Vanguard died for me. It's probably the only game next to SWG that I played for a single week that I quit. Not because of difficulty, but strictly because McDonald - er McQuacker - errr damn it : MCQUAID tried to use a formula that WoW already perfected and then some. Am I a WoW fanboy? No. I do play though, and I do like it. I play all games anyway...but Vanguard? No thank you.

Gameplay > GRAFFIXZ0mgWIND!!?!@?@3?!

Originally posted by gpett

Vanguard would have been a good game if SOE never had their hands on it.  Since SOE is the distributor, Vanguard will be released too soon, never fix key bugs, and milk players money for a product that will never feel finished.  I was sickened by thier shoveling out the expansions and adventure packs that had to be purchased instead of adressing the issues players cared about.

I will never play another SOE game again. 

Originally posted by JustFinch

Vanguard died for me. It's probably the only game next to SWG that I played for a single week that I quit. Not because of difficulty, but strictly because McDonald - er McQuacker - errr damn it : MCQUAID tried to use a formula that WoW already perfected and then some. Am I a WoW fanboy? No. I do play though, and I do like it. I play all games anyway...but Vanguard? No thank you.

 

Gameplay > GRAFFIXZ0mgWIND!!?!@?@3?!

hmm 'WoW perfected formula'? Hmm.. Vanguard isn't a watered down mix of well.. everything, cuz thats WoW in a nutshell, in fact it's the complete reverse, cafting and diplomicy are far more complex then WoW's 'push one button n' go' systems' and the combat requires a tad more thinking then button spammage, although the combat system is well kinda standard for any MMO.  Anyone thats played a week in Vanguard (even if they havn't reached lvl 10 yet), will tell you there is a lot more to offer in it then WoW had when it started and it's far more deep then what you are making out it to be.

So how one question how is Vanguard using the supposed 'WoW formula' again? Are you a WoW fanboi? Quite Possibily.. Are you prejugding a game you probly havn't played properly or even at all, purly on the basis the UI looks 'WoW-est'? Most Deffinatly.

You my friend have jumped on board the flaming wagon as it's currently 'cool' to flame Vanguard, and you come out with sorry the most crazyest statment of all 'Vanguard copied WoW and I've played Vanguard so it's true' the players who claimed that VG was 'WoW-est' at least admitted they hadn't played the game yet. Word to the wise, not every game out there will attempt to 'clone' WoW Vanguard's one of those games, so by doing the 'it's WoW!' excuse is very invaild here. The 'problem' with Vanguard is techical not the gameplay, you could at least read peoples problems with the game first to see why they aren't intending on getting it before you tried the 'WoW clone' card.

NB: This topic was ment to correct not flame a clealy false statement about Vanguard, in the real world we call that slander.

Originally posted by Mordith

Originally posted by gpett

Vanguard would have been a good game if SOE never had their hands on it.  Since SOE is the distributor, Vanguard will be released too soon, never fix key bugs, and milk players money for a product that will never feel finished.  I was sickened by thier shoveling out the expansions and adventure packs that had to be purchased instead of adressing the issues players cared about.

I will never play another SOE game again. 

Gotta love the 2 post wonders that come here to post their SOE hate.  SOE has nothing to do with the VG problems.  In fact, if SOE didn't come along there is a very good chance VG would never have seen the light of day due to a lack of funding.

What does the number of posts have to do with anything?

gpett makes a good point about Sony's business practices.

When I quit FFXI they continued to charge my credit card for months and every month I would go and quit all over again it took 3 months to finally straighten it out but I did not get a refund. I may have been able to if I had called my bank right away.

Originally posted by gpett

Vanguard would have been a good game if SOE never had their hands on it.  Since SOE is the distributor, Vanguard will be released too soon, never fix key bugs, and milk players money for a product that will never feel finished.  I was sickened by thier shoveling out the expansions and adventure packs that had to be purchased instead of adressing the issues players cared about.

I will never play another SOE game again.