Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

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Originally posted by adderVXI

Hello all, I wish to ask a simple question as im going to make a decision on what game to play for the next few years real soon.  Theres vanguard, which ive been following for years, and this one.  I like some of what i see in Lord of the Rings Online but im not sure if theres anything that really makes me want to play it.  Is there something that lotr will do that vanguard wont? I hear that lotr has farming, and i dont know why but that seems really cool to me. I mean like growing crops that is :) not "farming" like we know it.  I know this seems like a attempt at a flame fest but im honestly asking.  Thanks for any info!

P.S. I know that SOE is involved, i dont care :p

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whats lotr have that vanguard dont, honestly asking!!

Only the greatest story and world ever written about, The basis of all modern medieval fantasy.

The basis? That is not true. Very untrue actually. A common misconception.

The Worm Ouroboros by E.R. Eddison, a pure fantasy novel, was published in 1922. Tolkien admired the book and was influenced by it. The Conan stories were written during the 1920s, over 30 years BEFORE The Lord of the Rings. Lord Dunsany wrote fantasy before Tolkien even started thinking up his Middle-earth. The Gormenghast trilogy by Marvin Peake predated Tolkien's. The Broken Sword by Poul Anderson was published a bit before The Lord of the Rings. Michael Moorcock's books would have been exactly the same even if Tolkien didn't exist.

Some more authors that wrote fantast prior to Tolkien: George Macdonald, Arthur Machen, Andrew Lang, James Branch Cabell. And there are tons more.

Now, about LotrO - it's a great MMO. Kudos to Turbine. Vanguard? Ambitious MMO, extremely unpolished,  that is destined to fail miserably.

Lord of the rings was written in 1937 and Conan was written in 1932. Tolkien was a big fan of Conan, but his book was influenced by  the events of World War II and fable folklores like Beowulf, King Authur, etc and mythologies like Norse and Christianity. His ideas of hobbits came from a goblin monster who had similar name, but was evil.

Originally posted by tumppigo
Yes, LOTRO is good, trust me (under NDA). I am playing Vangaurd also and the immersion in LOTRO is SO much better.

Vanguard makes DDO look good so that's saying a lot.

Originally posted by Lastera
Lord of the rings was written in 1937 and Conan was written in 1932. Tolkien was a big fan of Conan, but his book was influenced by  the events of World War II and fable folklores like Beowulf, King Authur, etc and mythologies like Norse and Christianity. His ideas of hobbits came from a goblin monster who had similar name, but was evil.

Just a correction - it's The Hobbit that was published in 1937, not The Lord of the Rings.

I think that this topic would be better addressed when LoTRO is in open beta or released. Right now all we can do is speculate about LoTRO. Screen shots could be deceptive and game play is what really counts. Right now we know that Vanguard is not all that but anything about LoTRO is either speculation,  or just someone talking out their butt wanting us to think they are/were in beta. I am sure neither game will be for everyone since no game or game play style will satisfy everyone.

 for the start you cant compare those 2 games ...

Lotro is so much advanced in every single way ,, and graphickly it would be like comparing Monet to childs scribling

Lotro world has a beautifull enviroment , landscapes are  full of characters , atmospere and details ..  where Vanguards looks so anpolished and badly animated

Lotro world is huge  beautifull and breathtaking  that all you want to do is explore and explore ,,,

Originally posted by Berndr

eathtaking  that all you want to do is explore and explore ,,,

ROFL, U sure about that?

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Everything i've read about LOTR online sounds boring =/. You can only be the good races, what is up with that?

In my honest opinon, it's a total let down. The graphics are below current standards. I just think some other company should have gotten this title. I have little faith in Turbine. It's a shame that one company is going to be allowed to ruin both D&D and LOTR.

I am qualified to make a comparision. I will say that alot of the imformation in this thread about Lotro is completely wrong.  Comparing graphics... I'd say Vanguard wins for variety and sense of mystery. So many things in Vanguard to come across and say "WTH is that" (in a good way of course). Now on the lore comparision...sure Lotro has a vast and complete epic story that I'm sure we all love. But.... to be honest... I find myself more interested in a epic story I know nothing about yet.

Yes Vanguard is harder and has a much more complex combat system. this could be bad or good depending on how complex you like your games. I myself love everything complex and love to have moments where something happens that I didnt expect in combat and find surprises constantly.  But for Lotro to be fair has a very straight forward cleaner combat. It enables you to pretty much get a handle on your abilities and pretty much apply them to any encounter you come across.

As far as the balancing of classes in Vanguard... They are very balanced and extremely different. There is absolutely nothing in commen between the classes. And in the different races each having unique abilities and traits with points to allocate and it gets even more individual. Lotro has a nice distinction between classes as well but this may be mostly due to the small limit of races and classes. But in Lotro they all do fill the roles nicely with some very interesting differences. For my tastes though, I like the diversity Vanguard offers.

I've tried to stay very open minded about both games so far but as far as the crafting and other misc. paths or non-combat side of the game... Vanguard without a doubt is vastly ahead of Lotro here. But, on a good note... Lotro is vastly ahead of alot of the current mmo's available.

Lastly, yes Vanguard is much more hardcore and you will not have a easy (Wow) time for 50 levels. This is a prerequisite for me though. I am not even a hardcore player. Hell I played EQ1 for 4 years and never made it past level 42. Never higher than 38 in Wow. Highest in EQ2 was 29. Never been in a guild and play maybe 10 hours in a good week. To be honest though.... I cant stand anything handed to me regardless of my play time. I have NO problem whatso ever with some people plying in mega-guilds for 60 hours a week having super swords of death. They earned it (debatable I guess).

Some people will claim that Vanguard is too much like work. I just got home from work about 30 minutes ago and trust me.... Vanguard is nothing like it. Remember, its all moving around little pixels on a screen. Nothing more, nothing less.  On a side note for the people that was saying Vanguard is so much like EQ1.... I can only say...Thank God!


p.s. All grammar and/or spelling errors are the sole responsibility and fault of Detroit public schools.

Have to say I am not excited by the prospect of either. Niether sound that groundbreaking. I did enjoy AC1 (particularly when I switched to Darktide) but would need to have a lot of persuasion to play another McQuaid game.  I guess both have a 6month (or more jump) on the real interesting titles (Conan, Warhammer, Darkfall in my opinion).

I got an invite to the LOTR beta stress test this coming weekend a few days ago, and i will honestly say i never even entertained the idea of participating.Everything i have seen, heard, and read about the game looks weak,boring, and outdated.With so many new high profile mmo's coming out and on the drawing board i really expected Turbine to do ALOT  better, especially with this license.

What a letdown.

Originally posted by Kurgen
I got an invite to the LOTR beta stress test this coming weekend a few days ago, and i will honestly say i never even entertained the idea of participating.Everything i have seen, heard, and read about the game looks weak,boring, and outdated.With so many new high profile mmo's coming out and on the drawing board i really expected Turbine to do ALOT  better, especially with this license.

What a letdown.

How can you call a game a letdown when you have yet to even try it? Or do you always base your actions on what everyone else says and does?

Originally posted by Soju
In my honest opinon, it's a total let down. The graphics are below current standards. I just think some other company should have gotten this title. I have little faith in Turbine. It's a shame that one company is going to be allowed to ruin both D&D and LOTR.

I totally agree with you! I lost faith with Turbine when they released D&D.

Originally posted by Trand

Originally posted by Kurgen
I got an invite to the LOTR beta stress test this coming weekend a few days ago, and i will honestly say i never even entertained the idea of participating.Everything i have seen, heard, and read about the game looks weak,boring, and outdated.With so many new high profile mmo's coming out and on the drawing board i really expected Turbine to do ALOT  better, especially with this license.

What a letdown.

How can you call a game a letdown when you have yet to even try it? Or do you always base your actions on what everyone else says and does?

I HAVE seen the LOTR beta in action quite a few times.Just ecause I don't participate in the beta doesn't mean someone i know, and/or someone i might live with, isn't in the LOTR beta(they are).I've seen,heard, and read enough to know that compared to Vanguard(been in beta since 3 ) and other mmo's of similar type that are currently out, LOTR in it's current beta form is EXTREMELY weak next to the rest.

Turbine has the license to the biggest fantasy property of the last ten years at least.Expectations were bound to be high, but considering what's been done with it so far, it' won't even live up to moderate expectations.AMy opnion of it(thus far), stands.They've still got a few months.Hopefully they'll make ALOT of improvements.

Originally posted by Kurgen

Originally posted by Trand

Originally posted by Kurgen
I got an invite to the LOTR beta stress test this coming weekend a few days ago, and i will honestly say i never even entertained the idea of participating.Everything i have seen, heard, and read about the game looks weak,boring, and outdated.With so many new high profile mmo's coming out and on the drawing board i really expected Turbine to do ALOT  better, especially with this license.

What a letdown.

How can you call a game a letdown when you have yet to even try it? Or do you always base your actions on what everyone else says and does?

I HAVE seen the LOTR beta in action quite a few times.Just ecause I don't participate in the beta doesn't mean someone i know, and/or someone i might live with, isn't in the LOTR beta(they are).I've seen,heard, and read enough to know that compared to Vanguard(been in beta since 3 ) and other mmo's of similar type that are currently out, LOTR in it's current beta form is EXTREMELY weak next to the rest.

Turbine has the license to the biggest fantasy property of the last ten years at least.Expectations were bound to be high, but considering what's been done with it so far, it' won't even live up to moderate expectations.AMy opnion of it(thus far), stands.They've still got a few months.Hopefully they'll make ALOT of improvements.

I too know of people in LOTRO beta and have seen it being played. I've also played open beta Vanguard.

From both those sources of experience, I have to say...

LOTRO is the better of the two.

 

Lord of the rings will be more successful because it has more fanbois...but vangaurd is decent.

Originally posted by quietwolf

Originally posted by Kurgen

Originally posted by Trand

Originally posted by Kurgen
I got an invite to the LOTR beta stress test this coming weekend a few days ago, and i will honestly say i never even entertained the idea of participating.Everything i have seen, heard, and read about the game looks weak,boring, and outdated.With so many new high profile mmo's coming out and on the drawing board i really expected Turbine to do ALOT  better, especially with this license.

What a letdown.

How can you call a game a letdown when you have yet to even try it? Or do you always base your actions on what everyone else says and does?

I HAVE seen the LOTR beta in action quite a few times.Just ecause I don't participate in the beta doesn't mean someone i know, and/or someone i might live with, isn't in the LOTR beta(they are).I've seen,heard, and read enough to know that compared to Vanguard(been in beta since 3 ) and other mmo's of similar type that are currently out, LOTR in it's current beta form is EXTREMELY weak next to the rest.

Turbine has the license to the biggest fantasy property of the last ten years at least.Expectations were bound to be high, but considering what's been done with it so far, it' won't even live up to moderate expectations.AMy opnion of it(thus far), stands.They've still got a few months.Hopefully they'll make ALOT of improvements.

I too know of people in LOTRO beta and have seen it being played. I've also played open beta Vanguard.

From both those sources of experience, I have to say...

LOTRO is the better of the two.

 

Agreed and from what i've seen LotRO has about the same graphics with much less drain on your system ( granted i got fed up with Vanguard a while ago so idk if that has been fully fixed) and that's not even talking about the animations which killed me in Vanguard to me LotRo seems like the world itself would be more immersive than that of Vanguard just looks more real to me i suppose

Why doesn't LOTRO let you play evil races?

Because it is a 3rd party IP, meaning not owned by Turbine, any choices they make for content (well, most I imagine) have to be cleared through the owner of the IP itself.  If the original IP owner does not want you to play an Evil race, they will veto the idea and if pressed, can possibly pull the plug on the game itself.

I think they came up with a great compremise for allowing people to play evil races.

Now you can go back to bitching about how Turbine, SoE, whoever ruined your dream game of a specific IP, but you don't know the contractual facts, probably have no clue about how to negotiate and develop a 3rd party IP.  Think before you whine.

Vanguard can do more with their world.  They own it lock, stock and barrel.  And SoE has contributed a lot to the development, and it has been stated that SoE loaned then artists and developers to finish the game enough to be considered for going Gold.