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Originally posted by ianmcc
youve only talked about the PvP side of gw and personally i prefer the PvE side of mmo's (if u prefer PvP then thats ur decision) and the majority of players prefer the PvE side. now i havnt got much experience in PvP so im not sure what the PvP community look for in a game. im sure wow offers a lot of them aspects youve listed what PvP involves. a lot of people (me included) find superior equipment a good way of showing tallents bcoz superior equipment generally requires large amounts of money and high skills/levels, gw doesnt offer this in PvE bcoz the maximum lvl of 20 is far too low and can b achieved in factions campaign in a day and there is a max dmg for each weapon, there are various upgrades that are tough to get but doesnt stand up to getting better equipment in general.

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there you have used the cheapest price for the gw discs and the most expensive price for WoW, i used the release prices for both of them bcoz shops make prices cheeper if they arent selling, making it incorrect, so one shop could sell gw realy cheap if no1 buys and another could sell wow cheep (and more expensive if a lot of people buy). now im not sure if they cost more or less in europe but i kno for a fact that in the UK, ROI and the U.S wow only works out a fraction more expensive and the majority of costomers come from these places listed. im sure wow works out better in the rest of europe bcoz i kno for a fact that WoW didnt charge full retail price for the origional and i kno gw does so i think u may of got it wrong or u tried 2 totaly different sellers.

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P.S. Note that I also included the cheapest fee for WoW, the 6 months subscription.

origionally posted by Akaraxle

I've talked about the PvP side, but if you apply those concepts within an organized PvE group, you'll completely destroy any opposition - in other words, you'll be better at PvE too. It's not a matter of PvPers being "more leet", but PvP is simply more challenging than PvE because you're fighting smart enemies, so when you face dumb AI again you tend to find it easy.
You say "a lot of people find superior equipment a good way of showing talents, because superior equipment requires large amounts of money and high skills/levels". I can summarize that for you: a lot of people have more time in their hands than others. Those people (which you say you're party of) fool themselves in the thought of being more skilled than others, because you've "worked hard" to gain a high level and tons of gold, but in truth you've simply invested more time.
GW doesn't give you the chance to be better than the rest because you've grinded more, nor does it reward you with more powerful weapons because you've farmed like a madman. You might have a sword with a super-rare skin worth 1M gold, but functionally it's the same as a puny shortsword with the same damage that you can buy for 5k at a crafter, and it won't hide the fact that you suck at the game.

basically... gw offers no PvE, i personally think its just PvP but fighting computers instead of people, i guess ya could call it PvC instead . im not interested in a game what you can get good at in a matter of days or even hours like with gw... skills and lvls and weapons are offered on a plate and arent at all difficult to obtain, you said something about training how u position urself on the map and use skills and energy management... that doesnt seem very interesting and fun like games should b, no u make it sound like a sport, and if that was what i was looking for id concerntrate on an actual sport coz youll get a lot more satisfaction out of a sport than playing gw what has the same proporties as a sport

and i finished prophesies 2x, factions 1.5(got bored half way thru ) and completed nightfall once and got 15k armour on one char. now i dnt mean to brag and i aint saying im super amazing like u but i think i can rival a large number of the gw community at the "PvE" side of gw and i wouldnt say i suck at GW compared to other people. i may suck at the PvP side but thats bcoz i have never tried it fully bcoz like i sed its more of a computer sport than an mmorpg game.

origionally posted by Akaraxle

Actually, for every shop I checked, GW was always less expensive than other retail games like WoW or Oblivion. Here in Italy (where every game you buy is a rip-off) the difference was smaller, but WoW still costed around 10 EUR or so more than GW. Even counting that, the cost is more than 2x-2.5x anyway, although - as I said before - it's kind of pointless to compare the prices.

maybe u might wanna try the U.K or R.O.I or U.S highstreet? i realy dnt care about italian shops and neither does any1 who comes from them places (the majority of mmo players) if  wow does cost 2-2.5x as much in italy and ur not fibbing us then yes i suggest u should buy gw coz that is far too big of a difference in price. and yes comparing prices is not that important but value for money is one of the big reasons to choose a game but wow is far bigger than gw and that is taking EVERYTHING into account and not just pvp and pve. of course if u never play one of the game modes then buy the one wich offers the best for that type. but dnt go saying that game is better coz it aint. 

you must be supper smart
you are saying you can learn +/- 1100 skills in a few days or even hours
that line makes everything else you say about guildwars meaningless
anyone that plays the game knows it takes a lot of experience to be a master in guildwars
if there is such thing

someone made the math in a fan site , the possible combinations of skills in the skill bar was something like 50 000 000 000 000 000

I played WoW for 2 years first as a die-hard soloer and then as part of a busy raiding guild.

WoW is a terrific game, but I wouldn't necessarily call it the "best".  Blizzard makes quality games designed with mass appeal--not excellence--in mind.

1-60 (now 70 I guess) WoW is a fantastic game for almost any preferred style of play.  Unfortunately, at the top levels it becomes a game of "raid until your wife/gf/family leave you".

Originally posted by pimpopotamus

Also, on the fact of 7+ million WoW players, that number doesn't mean the game is the best game ever made. Take a look at the Reader's Choice awards on this website. EVE beat WoW in every category they were nominated for.  I know this has nothing to do with the topic, I'm just pointing out that you can't use 7+ million players as an argument for which is the better game.

firstly eve is a great game and i am a fan of it, who knows maybe i might get into it if i get bored of wow... but i prefer the traditional role of controlling a person in a massive world than controlling a space ship in massive space. but thats off topic, the thread is called "guild wars better than wow?" and eve could even be better than both of them ( i have never played eve properly, only the trial). but 7+million is very important, that means that over 7 million people chose wow over gw and only about 100,000-500,000 (permanent gw players) chose gw over wow so i think thats a very important figure, and finally i never mentioned anything even close about wow being the best game ever made (though im sure its easily in the top 20). i mean gw isnt even a true mmo!

originally posted by torquemada40

Playerbase size is, of course, for the 1000x time an invalid argument. You can take a simple analogy in music choice - while someone would stick blindly to the top music charts (I know loads of people, sadly), I find this kind of music plain crap because it's hyperproduced for quantity (thus making teh buck) and not quality. It is a personal taste, nothing more. What I'm saying is that popularity doesn't mean jack - all it shows is amount of money spent on it's advertising, not it's superior quality.

i totaly agree with the music popularity, some chart music absoloutley sucks... but mo popularity is totaly different, when we talk about music charts we are including hundreds of different genres of music and everyone has different tastes, but we are only talking about 1 genre of game here, mmorpg (well 2 if u dnt count gw as an mmo) and they are very easy to compare and this is when the importance of popularity plays a significant role as i sed above. of course there are the few exceptions who may prefer gw over wow but they cannot say that gw is "better" and far superior because wow is actually considered the 'daddy' of the mmo genre. now im trying not to say that wow is better than gw bit i am just saying that i prefer wow and... so do over 7m people and ill save all the "wow is better than gw" stuff for another more appropriate time

all i can say is , if i was a mod in this forums , all topics like this would be moved to General Discussion .. why do we have to te live with this ...
this topic looks so ugly
we have to read posts people saying guildwars is not even a mmo ..
camon ..

/sad

now i move on to a very obscure person...

origionally posted by neoteo 

think im going to start posting in wow forum , the war as started again
i mean , people come here and say BS about guildwars ... not fair
im going to start and say lies all over wow forum..

revange

there is no "war"... we are just discussing and i suggest u lighten up and most of it isnt bs... just read it properly

origionally posted by neoteo 

guildwars is better then wow becose = a lot more complex game play.

all the rest is scenario

wow = tic tac toe

gw = chess

terrible example comparing mmo's (including gw) with board games and u got it totaly wrong, as a whole wow is far more complex

origionally posted by neoteo 

im just saying to be anoying to the wow fanboys
they are diferent games , that should not be compared
for me gw is better then wow , but that is my personal opinion

like the old sk8 vs bmx war ...

 

who are the "wow fanboys"? wouldnt it b better and least offensive to call them something along the lines of wow players or the wow community? and plz stop pretending its a war, there was no war and there never will be lol. "like the old sk8 vs bmx war" very good example as they are both good in their own way. better than comparing them to board games eh?

origionally posted by neoteo  

im playing gw for 20 months

and btw , nice trolling

you see the reason we cant explain to you why gw is more complex to wow
is the same reason you play wow and you dont play gw

erm its great u played gw for 20 months... not . i dnt kno what the hell trolling is coz im new to the mmorpg.com forums and i have never heard that expression before (off topic). and the reason u cant explain y gw is more complex to wow is bcoz it isnt... gw may have more complex combat but that cannot stand upto everything wow has that gw doesnt...

origionally posted by neoteo 

you must be supper smart
you are saying you can learn +/- 1100 skills in a few days or even hours
that line makes everything else you say about guildwars meaningless
anyone that plays the game knows it takes a lot of experience to be a master in guildwars
if there is such thing

someone made the math in a fan site , the possible combinations of skills in the skill bar was something like 50 000 000 000 000

im not "supper smart", and i dunno what these 1100 skills r what u talk of, and i cant quite make out what anything else means in ur little speech...

origionally posted by neoteo 

all i can say is , if i was a mod in this forums , all topics like this would be moved to General Discussion .. why do we have to te live with this ...
this topic looks so ugly
we have to read posts people saying guildwars is not even a mmo ..
camon ..

/sad

firstly you are not a mod and u never will be if u contilue posting messages like that, this is merely a discussion and we are debating (what this thread was made for) as it is titled "guild wars better than wow?" as you can see that is a question and people are allowed to disagree that gw is better if they want... and we have given enough info that gw isnt an mmo and i suggest that u just accept it coz gw is a good game but i think ill stick to my traditional mmo's if u dnt mind.

i tried not to take notice of any of ur posts bcoz they were absoloutley pointless with no evidence i them. but i feel itsa the only way youll learn

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Originally posted by ianmcc
now i move on to a very obscure person...

origionally posted by neoteo 
think im going to start posting in wow forum , the war as started again
i mean , people come here and say BS about guildwars ... not fair
im going to start and say lies all over wow forum..
revange

there is no "war"... we are just discussing and i suggest u lighten up and most of it isnt bs... just read it properly

origionally posted by neoteo 
guildwars is better then wow becose = a lot more complex game play.
all the rest is scenario
wow = tic tac toe
gw = chess

terrible example comparing mmo's (including gw) with board games and u got it totaly wrong, as a whole wow is far more complex

origionally posted by neoteo 

im just saying to be anoying to the wow fanboys
they are diferent games , that should not be compared
for me gw is better then wow , but that is my personal opinion
like the old sk8 vs bmx war ...

 

who are the "wow fanboys"? wouldnt it b better and least offensive to call them something along the lines of wow players or the wow community? and plz stop pretending its a war, there was no war and there never will be lol. "like the old sk8 vs bmx war" very good example as they are both good in their own way. better than comparing them to board games eh?

origionally posted by neoteo  
im playing gw for 20 months
and btw , nice trolling
you see the reason we cant explain to you why gw is more complex to wow
is the same reason you play wow and you dont play gw

erm its great u played gw for 20 months... not . i dnt kno what the hell trolling is coz im new to the mmorpg.com forums and i have never heard that expression before (off topic). and the reason u cant explain y gw is more complex to wow is bcoz it isnt... gw may have more complex combat but that cannot stand upto everything wow has that gw doesnt...

origionally posted by neoteo 
you must be supper smart
you are saying you can learn +/- 1100 skills in a few days or even hours
that line makes everything else you say about guildwars meaningless
anyone that plays the game knows it takes a lot of experience to be a master in guildwars
if there is such thing
someone made the math in a fan site , the possible combinations of skills in the skill bar was something like 50 000 000 000 000

im not "supper smart", and i dunno what these 1100 skills r what u talk of, and i cant quite make out what anything else means in ur little speech...

origionally posted by neoteo 
all i can say is , if i was a mod in this forums , all topics like this would be moved to General Discussion .. why do we have to te live with this ...
this topic looks so ugly
we have to read posts people saying guildwars is not even a mmo ..
camon ..
/sad

firstly you are not a mod and u never will be if u contilue posting messages like that, this is merely a discussion and we are debating (what this thread was made for) as it is titled "guild wars better than wow?" as you can see that is a question and people are allowed to disagree that gw is better if they want... and we have given enough info that gw isnt an mmo and i suggest that u just accept it coz gw is a good game but i think ill stick to my traditional mmo's if u dnt mind.
i tried not to take notice of any of ur posts bcoz they were absoloutley pointless with no evidence i them. but i feel itsa the only way youll learn

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see , you dont even know that guildwars as +/- 1100 skills

you are making your selfe look ridiculus with your comments

origionally posted by phenick

I do not mean to sound at all condescending but you have a hard time articulating your words into coherent readable content. You sound like some sort of 9 year old 'noob' if i will.

Let me address the facts here.... Because people refuse to do it..

Not only is Guild Wars Better then WoW, Wow is bordering on the worst game being played right now....

Years and years of game making experience from other developers blatantly ripped off by execs at Blizzard Entertainment and created a bland and boring mass appeal piece of garbage...

There isn't one piece of programming in the game that can be considered complex... If anything the only pluses it has is its simplicity.. Having a large feature set on bullet points is in no way complexity you may want to look up the meaning of the word. WoW is a perfect time sink for a demographic of gamers who either don't know better or have sold out. Flam me all you want this is truth. The game polutes the gamer base and causes the world of video games to be diluted and ultimately WORSE... Focus on quantity and not quality should be the motto for the game. It's pure novelty and your alllll in love with novelty.... So go read a book or two like Fahrenheit 451... You are lost in th novelty of bull shit....

Guild Wars is a game for gamers who still intend on being good at games and increasing their skill as a gamer... Not stagnating in the filth of 7 million 13 year old boys...

"gw is better than WoW" eh? urm care to explain why and give some evidence instead of wailing and shouting at me? and even if one piece of programming in the game cant b considered complex, when they are all added together they all make the game complex... like many people you are only taking one or two parts into account, you need to use every part of the game when comparing. and if u want me to look up the word complexity then this is not the time or the place, we are debating what is better, gw or wow, not a persons knowlege. and i obviously do "kno better" bcoz like i sed ive played gw b4 and i do own all 3 campaigns but i still prefer wow, i do realise that there are a few people who say "wow is good and gw is poo" and hav never played gw in their lives and that is not me, and i dnt see how wow makes the "world of video gaming" worse one bit, and i dnt realy wanna go read a book like farenheight 451 and i aint doing! lol and the whole idea of games in general is to enjoy urself, not to get amazingly good coz that wont get u far in life... and ur saying that 7 million 13 yr olds play wow lol, i dnt think so. sure a small percentage of the 7m are u16 that is no problem, blizzard have made a game suitable for all ages *applauds blizzard*. so i suggest before u go calling me a "9 yr old 'noob'' i suggest u think how u look posting messages like that what are totaly off topic

1337 ftw pwned lolz
you are good at 1337 no douth about it
why do you want to discuss if wow is better then gw anyway
if you are so sure wow is better , then good , enjoy your game and stop wasting energy in guildwars foruns

origionally posted by neoteo

see , you dont even know that guildwars as +/- 1100 skills

you are making your selfe look ridiculus with your comments

Originally posted by ianmcc
well list these "1100" skills and enlighten us  and i would like to kno if theres a problem with my comments, i posted evidence with every comment ive said and... u havnt

I'm not going to list them all but there is approx. 1000-1200 skills in the game currently. 

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Index_of_skill_lists

Skills are broken down into profession-specific lists.  I'm not going to count, because quite frankly I don't care.  By enlighten did you mean provide what you could've obtained in less than 2 minutes and about 8 keystrokes?

OH for crying out loud!
 
To say that one game is "better" than the other is an openion at best from anyones point of view.
I like GW better but I base that on my openion, you can disagree and I am fine with it!
I can't believe this has gone on this long. WoW is a good game but it's not for everyone.
GW is a good game but it's not for everyone.
GW and WoW are both good yet different games leave it at that.

As for GW not being an MMO who is to say it isn't ? Is there a governing body that is in charge of classification on these things? I Didn't think so! So yet again that remains openion based. In short the things being argued here are openions not facts that we can proove validity on. So go play your respective games and stop the insanity.

origionally posted by calesentari

I'm not going to list them all but there is approx. 1000-1200 skills in the game currently. 

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Index_of_skill_lists

Skills are broken down into profession-specific lists.  I'm not going to count, because quite frankly I don't care.  By enlighten did you mean provide what you could've obtained in less than 2 minutes and about 8 keystrokes?

lmao if thats wot neoteo meant by the word 'skills' then they are called spells/abilitys in the wow world (skills are things like weapon masterys and afk skills like blacksmithing or mining e.t.c). ok so gw has 1000-1200 abilitys/spells but has absoloutley 0 skills. wow on the other hand has a lot more abilitys/spells anyway. i forgot that gw calls things differentley, boy is my face red  lol

Originally posted by kaungst

OH for crying out loud!
 
To say that one game is "better" than the other is an openion at best from anyones point of view.
I like GW better but I base that on my openion, you can disagree and I am fine with it!
I can't believe this has gone on this long. WoW is a good game but it's not for everyone.
GW is a good game but it's not for everyone.
GW and WoW are both good yet different games leave it at that.

As for GW not being an MMO who is to say it isn't ? Is there a governing body that is in charge of classification on these things? I Didn't think so! So yet again that remains openion based. In short the things being argued here are openions not facts that we can proove validity on. So go play your respective games and stop the insanity.

I agree.  This topic heading was a rather poor choice.  The word "better," in this sense, is for opinions.  Just b/c one game is more complex doesn't make it "better" than another game.  Also, just b/c 7+ million people play it, which is quite an amazing feat, doesn't mean that a game is better than another, it simply means more people like it. And as ianmcc stated, people play games b/c they want to have fun.

I have played both games, and enjoyed both. However, after a time, I stopped enjoying WoW, so therefore stopped playing WoW. I still enjoy GW, so I play it. To really and truly know which game is better, you have to play them both, or research them both and find out which one fits your personal playing style better.