Originally posted by jezvin
Do you let people play male chars?
just wondering

at least we don't have to assume a guy on the other end for these gals


or do we
jk



any way good luck with your guild.

Which could be a pity, the way some people ask I've been tempted to lie and claim I'm a guy in real life

Originally posted by Rikimaru_X
I don't know. Why not have the discussion right here, rather than just going to look at it though a blog. Do you want a discussion or are you just advertising this? If you want the discussion, bring it on, but talking about the discussion of females playing video games then going about a guild/clan of females who play mmorpgs...it just seems like an Ad. I'll view the blog tomorrow. I was looking forward to the discussion in here.

Hello Rikimaru, thanks for your reply. I was tempted to go into the details here and as you suggest open the debate with some key arguments. However, the full discussion on the blog is long and a bit technical, so I decided to provide a brief overview here and give those interested a link to the fuller discussion. In the Blog we define what we mean by "the feminine". I am hoping that those who read the Blog will either message me or include some of the (more controversial) claims here. I am sorry if it appears like an AD it wasn't intended that way.

If I may offer a small corrective Rikimaru, this is not really a discussion about "females playing video games" it is more about distinctions between feminine and masculine MMO players and how this maps out in guilds, character development and design and how gamers develop an on-line identity or role.

Originally posted by Asamof
Why do you feel the need to create barriers between sexes in online games that revolve around the social aspect?

Well, hopefully you don't act like the fragdolls and scream out "U GOT KILLD BY A GUUUUUUUUUUURL!!11" everytime you kill a male avatar...

Well just speaking as a grrl gamer and not as a member of the femme fatales (never been a member) but women only guilds for me wouldn't be about barriers. They're about creating a comfortible atmosphere and getting away from the attitude that some guys have towards women and after all it doesn't stop the members of the guild interacting with men outside of the guild.

I fully hope they don't go "U GOT KILLD BY A GUUUUUUURL!!11" too though

Originally posted by buddhabeads
Hey Keridwan

This is a real;ly really interesting post, im really curious about this, unfortunately i could not open the msn space link you have provided, but i would very like to be in contact with you and debate this issue further.

Hello Buddhabeads, thanks for the reply. This is certainly the kind of response I was hoping for and will contact you to discuss further. Have to dash now, but will respond to your comments laterz.

You can now access the msn space, sorry but I forgot the syndicalise it for open access. It should be straightforwards now.


The Will to Power is a frugal resource, you don't need to think about it when your walking ....

If I was twenty years younger, I could empathise with what's being said in this thread - sentiments and the like. But I can't. I've out-grown such antics.

Time for some of you to out-grow them too.

Originally posted by Gameloading
I found this guild to be so extremely rediculous, that I'm pretty sure a part of me just died laughing out loud. Not because of the rediculous rule to exclude male avatars, but because you guys focus on things that should not be the main focus of MMORPG gaming.

"First and foremost we wanted to convey a strong relationship between beauty and the virtual body in on-line gaming, We were not interested in ugliness. The avatars we designed and developed in Femmes Fatales mirrored this interest. In fact it is probably true to say that the most ardent feminist is very likely to be an ugly woman. These women resent beautiful women. So how does the beauty of a body detach that body from the contentment of our practical, expressive, and sexual relations and make of that body an object of excessive passions? How does this manifest itself in the world of MMOs? Why and how does beauty organize the body, linking up forms, colors, and movements into a snare for our lusts? Bataille focuses exclusively on the feminine body, inasmuch as it is the supremely erotic object:"

Yes, lets totally concentrate on the "strong relationship" between, ahum, Beauty and pixels, because if there is anything that is important in an mmorpg world, then its that!

and lets not leave out the so called conclussion.

"So Femmes Fatales as an expression of the sublime feminine as "will to power", shall continue to mesmerize, seduce, tease and provoke. And more than anything else we shall continue to use our power to be wicked, desirable and feminine. MMOs provide us a perfect context to deploy and sustain our ambitions.".

Forgive me for my language, but you DO realize it is a GAME right? Seduce? Tease? Tell you what, get away from your computer and go do that in real life. Its people like you that makes me tell parents in real life to wait untill their children are at a higher age before starting the mmorpg genre. Don't you have anything better to do then to virtually "seduce" people? If your "ambition" is to virtually whore yourself out, then I think you should get your priorities straigth.


Dont bother with this guy. It's quite obvious that he does not know what hes talking about, and is completely out of context. Doubt he'll ever get it.

Originally posted by Hadesprime
females and gaming

a totally over rated issue

Women gamers are no different than men and should not be treated as such. The thing is so many guys are hardup for action in real life they think seeing a female gamer is ooh ahhh and a chance for cyber ;)

Who cares its all gamers and this like many other issues is an over bloated floating pig.

Some women make me think of George Orwells Animal Farm...just substitute the pigs for women. You know, all animals are equal, but ....

Originally posted by buddhabeads

Originally posted by Gameloading
I found this guild to be so extremely rediculous, that I'm pretty sure a part of me just died laughing out loud. Not because of the rediculous rule to exclude male avatars, but because you guys focus on things that should not be the main focus of MMORPG gaming.

"First and foremost we wanted to convey a strong relationship between beauty and the virtual body in on-line gaming, We were not interested in ugliness. The avatars we designed and developed in Femmes Fatales mirrored this interest. In fact it is probably true to say that the most ardent feminist is very likely to be an ugly woman. These women resent beautiful women. So how does the beauty of a body detach that body from the contentment of our practical, expressive, and sexual relations and make of that body an object of excessive passions? How does this manifest itself in the world of MMOs? Why and how does beauty organize the body, linking up forms, colors, and movements into a snare for our lusts? Bataille focuses exclusively on the feminine body, inasmuch as it is the supremely erotic object:"

Yes, lets totally concentrate on the "strong relationship" between, ahum, Beauty and pixels, because if there is anything that is important in an mmorpg world, then its that!

and lets not leave out the so called conclussion.

"So Femmes Fatales as an expression of the sublime feminine as "will to power", shall continue to mesmerize, seduce, tease and provoke. And more than anything else we shall continue to use our power to be wicked, desirable and feminine. MMOs provide us a perfect context to deploy and sustain our ambitions.".

Forgive me for my language, but you DO realize it is a GAME right? Seduce? Tease? Tell you what, get away from your computer and go do that in real life. Its people like you that makes me tell parents in real life to wait untill their children are at a higher age before starting the mmorpg genre. Don't you have anything better to do then to virtually "seduce" people? If your "ambition" is to virtually whore yourself out, then I think you should get your priorities straigth.


Dont bother with this guy. It's quite obvious that he does not know what hes talking about, and is completely out of context. Doubt he'll ever get it.

Originally posted by Gameloading
I found this guild to be so extremely rediculous, that I'm pretty sure a part of me just died laughing out loud. Not because of the rediculous rule to exclude male avatars, but because you guys focus on things that should not be the main focus of MMORPG gaming.

oh dear I am sorry to have stoked up such controversy  especially when the main focus should be just gaming.

poor Gameloading ... he's gone ballistic ... calm down dear ... if you're good, you can pop around later and I'll make you a nice cup of tea, offer you some lovely homemade cakes, with lashings of fresh cream ... maybe even find your gaming slippers for you eh?

Incidentally, nothing at all Freudian implied in my reply.  Pardon me but I simply can't resist ..... was that "rediculous" or ... red something else? Which "part of you died"? Do you need a nurse dear? Did you ever imagine that some things are said slightly tongue-in-cheek? I believe its called "irony".

never  mind I know already this is falling on deaf ears .... oh well ... trallalalalalalaa

Originally posted by Keridwan

Originally posted by Gameloading
I found this guild to be so extremely rediculous, that I'm pretty sure a part of me just died laughing out loud. Not because of the rediculous rule to exclude male avatars, but because you guys focus on things that should not be the main focus of MMORPG gaming.

oh dear I am sorry to have stoked up such controversy  especially when the main focus should be just gaming.

poor Gameloading ... he's gone ballistic ... calm down dear ... if you're good, you can pop around later and I'll make you a nice cup of tea, offer you some lovely homemade cakes, with lashings of fresh cream ... maybe even find your gaming slippers for you eh?

Incidentally, nothing at all Freudian implied in my reply.  Pardon me but I simply can't resist ..... was that "rediculous" or ... red something else? Which "part of you died"? Do you need a nurse dear? Did you ever imagine that some things are said slightly tongue-in-cheek?

never  mind I know already this is falling on deaf ears .... oh well ... trallalalalalalaa