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  Dana

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OP  11/27/06 12:46:14 PM#1

The Director of Community Relations for EA Mythic answers our queries on their upcoming MMO. We chat about the EA deal, squig herders, WoW comparisons and much more.

MMORPG.com: Obviously, you've heard rumblings about how the game looks like World of WarCraft. Bluntly, did you intentionally mimic World of WarCraft with your visual style? If not, can you explain how it evolved the way it did and why you believe people should not view it that way?

Sanya Thomas: I hate answering this question in print, because you really have to see my face to understand my tone. You must pretend, as you read this, that I have thrown my head back and laughed, and then I rolled my eyes at you. That is the exact tone my voice has when I answer this question. Also, since it is you, Lepidus, and I have known you for many years, it is highly possible that in person, I would have thrown some sort of soft toy at you for asking questions to which you know the answer.

The answer is no, we did not mimic that other game. We are developing WAR in the exact style of Games Workshop, the style Games Workshop developed back in the 1980s.

There was never a chance that we would throw out more than twenty years of development and design just because another company found that look and style so inspirational.

I don't know why things have evolved the way they have evolved. Perhaps that would be a good question for a clever journalist to ask GW and Blizzard. But I don't have a dog in that fight. My company is proud and happy to work with GW, the original designers of the look - an assertion easily proved by pulling up any number of gaming books from the eighties. We are making their world come to life.

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  mindspat

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11/27/06 1:12:52 PM#2

I'm thinking they could have done more with a "Warhammer 40k" themed build.  That would deffintly get my attention!

While some of the screen shots *do* look like it was taken from World of Warcraft others look a *LOT* better then WoW:  example of "better"

I personally have next to -zero- ineterest in this game due to it appearing like a WoW clone.  The *only* thing that would spark interest is more dynamics and game play *nothing* remotely similar to WoW. 

Oddly enough, how many will settle for In & Out Burgers, Burger King, Jack in the Box, Carls JR., or any variation, when you want McDonalds?  MMO's are not hamburgers.  Hopefully someone will learn that someday...

  dorobu

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11/27/06 1:31:50 PM#3

I'm thinking they could have done more with a "Warhammer 40k" themed build.  That would deffintly get my attention!

While some of the screen shots *do* look like it was taken from World of Warcraft others look a *LOT* better then WoW:  example of "better"

I personally have next to -zero- ineterest in this game due to it appearing like a WoW clone.  The *only* thing that would spark interest is more dynamics and game play *nothing* remotely similar to WoW. 

Oddly enough, how many will settle for In & Out Burgers, Burger King, Jack in the Box, Carls JR., or any variation, when you want McDonalds?  MMO's are not hamburgers.  Hopefully someone will learn that someday...

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It's unfortunate that people have such limited vision and continue to call this game a WOW clone. I would assume it has to do with age and ability to read but then I'd probably get flamed, but consider this: Warhammer is very old. If you are not old you probably don't understand how long it's been around, but it's closing in on 30 years. So to call a MMO based on a game that's over 20 years old a WOW clone is somewhat small minded. The art style they are using is going to fall pretty damn close to what's been had in WHFB books and manuals for years now.

Also keep in mind this game will be RVR(PVP) based. Before you argue that WoW is PVP based, think about how many PVP instances there are compared to raid instances.

-doro

  checkthis500

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11/27/06 1:34:16 PM#4

Originally posted by mindspat

I'm thinking they could have done more with a "Warhammer 40k" themed build.  That would deffintly get my attention!

While some of the screen shots *do* look like it was taken from World of Warcraft others look a *LOT* better then WoW:  example of "better"

I personally have next to -zero- ineterest in this game due to it appearing like a WoW clone.  The *only* thing that would spark interest is more dynamics and game play *nothing* remotely similar to WoW. 

Oddly enough, how many will settle for In & Out Burgers, Burger King, Jack in the Box, Carls JR., or any variation, when you want McDonalds?  MMO's are not hamburgers.  Hopefully someone will learn that someday...


Do me a huge favor.  Go through the dynamics and gameplay of WoW and the dynamics and gameplay of WAR and show me factually how WAR is a WoW clone.  please :)

I mean take this acronym: RvR.  WoW has nothing even remotely close to it.  Or how about this one: 4 unique classes for every race.  WoW has nothing even remotely close to that either. 

Wait wait, I have another one for you: lateral skill advancement.  4 tiers of 10 ranks each.  Yeah WoW just has 60 levels. 

Hang on I think I can possibly think of another off the top of my head..... Oh yeah.  Armor customization including dyes, and the ability to mount trophies from PvP on your armor.  Yeah WoW doesn't come close to that either.

Please oh Please go through of list of WoW clone items without saying things like "WoW has a minimap and WAR has a minimap so it's a clone."

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  Dana

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OP  11/27/06 1:37:21 PM#5
To be clear, the "WoW Similiarities" I asked about were exclusively artistic.

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  severius

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11/27/06 2:04:14 PM#6
For starters:  Warhammer online does not look like WoW... Warcraft was modeled after Warhammer.  When they were first working on warcraft the Blizzard art team used the miniatures and style of the Warhammer universe as a reference point.  It had been stated several times in numerous publications websites and interviews.  World of Warcraft, though originally started as a single player rpg, derived their graphical style from the Warcraft RTS games.  Warhammer has been around for 25 or so years, Blizzard copied the warhammer style for their RTS which evolved into the mmorpg known as WoW.  I can't be any more clear on this subject.  Argue all you want, thats fine and rather funny, the facts are facts though and people can choose to accept it or not.

Now, alot of things that warhammer seems to be doing will wrongfully be credited to blizzard and world of warcraft.  Blizzard has only been good at taking what everyone else has already done and putting an extra level of polish on it.  WoW is a solid game, very easy for new people to the genre to get into, but has 0 innovation and even less depth.  Will Warhammer end up being as shallow as WoW? I dont know and I certainly hope not. 


  severius

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11/27/06 2:07:59 PM#7

Originally posted by mindspat

I'm thinking they could have done more with a "Warhammer 40k" themed build.  That would deffintly get my attention!

While some of the screen shots *do* look like it was taken from World of Warcraft others look a *LOT* better then WoW:  example of "better"

I personally have next to -zero- ineterest in this game due to it appearing like a WoW clone.  The *only* thing that would spark interest is more dynamics and game play *nothing* remotely similar to WoW. 

Oddly enough, how many will settle for In & Out Burgers, Burger King, Jack in the Box, Carls JR., or any variation, when you want McDonalds?  MMO's are not hamburgers.  Hopefully someone will learn that someday...


Settle for In-N-Out?!?!?!?! BLASHPEMY!!!!!!!!11!11!1!! :D


  Lunar_Knight

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11/27/06 2:08:41 PM#8
 
 

It's the over-done Tolkien-ish fantasy setting that people are seeing the similarities in. Yes, WoW used Orcs, but so has a ton of other games and fantasy worlds before them. And I'm sure Warhammer thought up "Dwarfs with Guns" before Blizzard did.

But that’s not why I'm not going to buy this game on launch. I'm afraid of what EA has done or will do to Mythic in the coming months or years (if they even allow Mythic to exist that long).

If I see that this game is successful for about a year, I might get into it.

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  Thedrizzle

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11/27/06 2:20:04 PM#9

Originally posted by severius
For starters:  Warhammer online does not look like WoW... Warcraft was modeled after Warhammer.  When they were first working on warcraft the Blizzard art team used the miniatures and style of the Warhammer universe as a reference point.  It had been stated several times in numerous publications websites and interviews.  World of Warcraft, though originally started as a single player rpg, derived their graphical style from the Warcraft RTS games.  Warhammer has been around for 25 or so years, Blizzard copied the warhammer style for their RTS which evolved into the mmorpg known as WoW.  I can't be any more clear on this subject.  Argue all you want, thats fine and rather funny, the facts are facts though and people can choose to accept it or not.

Now, alot of things that warhammer seems to be doing will wrongfully be credited to blizzard and world of warcraft.  Blizzard has only been good at taking what everyone else has already done and putting an extra level of polish on it.  WoW is a solid game, very easy for new people to the genre to get into, but has 0 innovation and even less depth.  Will Warhammer end up being as shallow as WoW? I dont know and I certainly hope not. 

Don't get me wrong, I'm a HUGEEEE Mythic and WHO fanboi, but the game and gameplay so far does look alot like WOW artistically...

Anyone who has seen the gameplay video of warhammer on Warhammeralliance.com would probably agree.

[quote]But that’s not why I'm not going to buy this game on launch. I'm afraid of what EA has done or will do to Mythic in the coming months or years (if they even allow Mythic to exist that long). [/quote]

Its funny when someone takes a fleeting memory of a game turned wrong in the past due to a certain company, then speculates that every game in the future this company has a hand in will then be garbage as well. Short sighted fools.

Corporations want to make money and learn from  mistakes, thats why they have a ton of money and joe shmoe is broke. The MMO market is still in its infancy and is actually, maybe just making it past "the terrible twos".  A companies mistakes in the past, when the market was so fresh the shit stains still smelled, does not mean the same mistakes will occur again.

I feel bad for the people who make such comments, they act as if their girlfriends had cheated on them and they are still crying in their beers.  Well they can keep crying while im sacking another factions capital city. 

BTW what is your past with EA? Please dont tell me it was UO.

  Kremlik

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11/27/06 2:30:49 PM#10

Funny how the interview asked 'is this like WoW?' and we got a 'No' (finally comfirmation btw, I've been saying that for ages), yet people still go 'it's a WoW clone', do people not read things? It's built off DAoC (pre-WoW), and guided by Games Workshop themselfs, who practically invented 'war'... Yet people still think 'WoW/Warcraft/Blizzard created all, tis the center of the MMOverse', whats next LOtR copied WoW? Makes me just want to.... WAAAGGHH! *thud* *chop*

Right.. bloodcrazed rank over..

Anyway.. I'm glad to see GW still have a huge hand in WAR and EA just seem to be keeping their mitts off it and just throwing money at it for the moment.. things look promising

Bring on the WARRRRGGHH!

  severius

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11/27/06 2:42:31 PM#11
Lunar_Knight wrote:

It's the over-done Tolkien-ish fantasy setting that people are seeing the similarities in. Yes, WoW used Orcs, but so has a ton of other games and fantasy worlds before them. And I'm sure Warhammer thought up "Dwarfs with Guns" before Blizzard did.

But that’s not why I'm not going to buy this game on launch. I'm afraid of what EA has done or will do to Mythic in the coming months or years (if they even allow Mythic to exist that long).


Has the Tolkien-esque fantasy genre been done to death? I don't really know.  I do know that for me personally no one has really done it the justice I think it deserves so far.

The EA Mythic thing has to make someone pause.  EA destroyed Origin Studios by forcing OSI to completely change the way they did business.  This is a well documented fact.  Has EA learned anything?  On the surface one might think so.  Mythic is saying the same things that Sigil and Perpetual are saying with their recent moves to SOE Platform Publishing.  Obviously there are differences in the relationships, Mythic is now a part of EA wheras the other 2 companies arent owned by SOE, yet (verant wasnt owned by SOE at the start).  Only time will tell where the EA Mythic thing is concerned.  If I remember right at the start EA didnt do anything to OSI, it was only later that things really started going downhill.

TheDrizzle wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I'm a HUGEEEE Mythic and WHO fanboi, but the game and gameplay so far does look alot like WOW artistically...

Anyone who has seen the gameplay video of warhammer on Warhammeralliance.com would probably agree.


Yes it might, but dont be confused.  Blizzard copied the artistic style of Warhammer.  They said it in tons of interviews, there were pictures in pcgamer back during a preview of warcraft of one of the art departments desks and it was covered with warhammer books, miniatures, etc.  Wow came to market in the mmorpg genre first, but their look is entirely ripped off from Warhammer and Games Workshop.  That's the point that people seem to miss.


  VideoXPG

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11/27/06 3:07:40 PM#12
I was hoping for a question on when the next newsletter will hit inboxes , I kid I kid, just a little anxious, thats all.
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  twitch242

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11/27/06 3:18:51 PM#13
In style War does look like WoW, but some pic aint telling the whole story and i need to see the thing in action to speak more on it, random lowres movies will not do. To me though, Warhammer is alot more dark and grim than what we see currently, in short it looks more like they want to capture the kiddie wow style. All said though, my interrest in this game stopped asap EA got their hands on it, nothing... repeat... nothing good will ever come from this ! Ill wager all the users are infested with EA spyware and ingame adds from launch day.
  indyne

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11/27/06 3:21:59 PM#14
I don't really see the point in exerting effort to convince people that WAR is not a WoW clone.  If they want to write it off because they know very little about the game and pass judgement on it anyway, let them.  Those of us who are plugged in to WAR and it's development know better.  If people don't appreciate what could be a great game, that's fine.  Let them.  I'm just amped to play with other people who are as excited about the game as I am...the other people...well, oh well, their loss.  In reality, I think I would prefer that those people who think it is a WoW clone not play WAR anyway.

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  Kremlik

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11/27/06 3:41:42 PM#15

Originally posted by indyne
I don't really see the point in exerting effort to convince people that WAR is not a WoW clone.  If they want to write it off because they know very little about the game and pass judgement on it anyway, let them.  Those of us who are plugged in to WAR and it's development know better.  If people don't appreciate what could be a great game, that's fine.  Let them.  I'm just amped to play with other people who are as excited about the game as I am...the other people...well, oh well, their loss.  In reality, I think I would prefer that those people who think it is a WoW clone not play WAR anyway.


I do wholeheartedly agree, however being a Warhammer fan and knowing Warcraft owes not only Warhammer but D&D and LOtR etc, I just find it insulting and idiotic that poeple can't understand or choose not to beleave that things these days CAN be based off things 'pre-'X' fad', the 'fad' these days being WoW so everything must be based off the 'fad' has thats the only way to make money...

What really annoys me atm is the people trying to convince others that may have an interest in WAR 'not to play it because it's gotta be like WoW, WoW's crap so don't play WAR', those people really need to be shot.. Mythic really do need to use the 'WAR is not WoW' stick, as then people on the fence would actally try this and not be put off with the 'WoW haters' finding a new target..

Either way I think Mythic would be quite happy with 300,000-ish worldwide playerbase and not 'try' for a 7 million effort

Bring on the WARRRRGGHH!

  Brainy

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11/27/06 4:17:30 PM#16

Originally posted by mindspat

Oddly enough, how many will settle for In & Out Burgers, Burger King, Jack in the Box, Carls JR., or any variation, when you want McDonalds?  MMO's are not hamburgers.  Hopefully someone will learn that someday...


Wait a minute here!  You are not possibly trying to compare In & Out Burger with Burger King or McDonalds.  You are seriously crossing the line here.  Thats absolutely preposterous notion.
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  Arcona

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11/27/06 4:22:26 PM#17
LOTR is a WoW clone.

Gandalf is sooo like a warlock.



jesus, some people....


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  Archon2021

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11/27/06 4:27:51 PM#18
http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=warhammerworldmapyw8.jpg

There you have it folks.

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  boognish75

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People take mmo''s way to seriously

11/27/06 4:52:57 PM#19

Originally posted by mindspat

I'm thinking they could have done more with a "Warhammer 40k" themed build.  That would deffintly get my attention!

While some of the screen shots *do* look like it was taken from World of Warcraft others look a *LOT* better then WoW:  example of "better"

I personally have next to -zero- ineterest in this game due to it appearing like a WoW clone.  The *only* thing that would spark interest is more dynamics and game play *nothing* remotely similar to WoW. 

Oddly enough, how many will settle for In & Out Burgers, Burger King, Jack in the Box, Carls JR., or any variation, when you want McDonalds?  MMO's are not hamburgers.  Hopefully someone will learn that someday...


what is up mindspat my old friend, its me jenquaidefender ahahah!!!! games workshop my friend actually had this look before blizzard did in the 80's as he stated as blizzard being a sucessor to GW in the 80's it is not surprising to see simialrities, and as he stated they are trying to stay to the look of GW's ingame i think it will be a good game, though i myself am not gonna play it.

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  indyne

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11/27/06 5:01:01 PM#20

What really annoys me atm is the people trying to convince others that may have an interest in WAR 'not to play it because it's gotta be like WoW, WoW's crap so don't play WAR', those people really need to be shot.. Mythic really do need to use the 'WAR is not WoW' stick, as then people on the fence would actally try this and not be put off with the 'WoW haters' finding a new target..

Either way I think Mythic would be quite happy with 300,000-ish worldwide playerbase and not 'try' for a 7 million effort



I hadn't thought about that, and now that you brought it up, I am inclined to agree with you.  It's kind of like, ignorant people spreading their ignorance onto other players who don't know any better, and then they take it as fact.  In that instance, I think we will miss out on some potentially great players.

As for the worldwide player base, I have to be perfectly honest.  I think I would actually prefer the 300k subscription than the 7 million for numerous reasons that are too many to list here.  I'm sure you agree the game doesn't have to be a huge success numbers wise to be a huge success to us.

The only thing that might concern me about a smaller player base is...is EA going to be happy about that? And what might they do in response?  I am not an EA merger basher at all, but from a business standpoint (ignoring EA's history completely, purely economical here), that disturbs me slightly.  Still, that's a whole 'nother conversation for a whole 'nother thread.


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