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11/25/06 2:36:18 PM#61
Sorry but you're wrong. Try again when flaming someone to get over themselves. Perhaps you should go look at other MMO's rules :p none of them state such a listing especially with such harsh terms of punishment kkthxbye. |
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11/25/06 2:40:31 PM#62
They spend the bought gold on twink gear for the low level pvp's to buy high end enchants so they can be uber 12-year olds with mommies credit card gankers :p That's sadly what they spend their hard earned real life money on. |
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11/25/06 2:44:26 PM#63
Sorry but you're wrong. Try again when flaming someone to get over themselves. Perhaps you should go look at other MMO's rules :p none of them state such a listing especially with such harsh terms of punishment kkthxbye. Is he wrong now? All MMOs I have played so far (six of them) have stated that only ONE person, the owner, has the right to play it. Why? Legal reasons. If someone wants to go ahead and prosecute you for something that happend on your character, the name that comes up that the company has to spit out is the one who will get pressed. Saying "It wasn't me, it was my cousins, brothers, best friends, sisters in-law favurite grandchild" will not help. You were told that one person can play, and one alone. But seeing you seem to have other facts, could you give me the link to the TOS or ROC you think of? Most MMOs have them online, so you surely can provide? |
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11/25/06 2:51:48 PM#64
While the orginial article doesn't really bring any new info or point of view into this debate, I think it's still worth asking the question.
First, we might want to consider that these MMO companies are going to get the heat if they don't ban enough cheaters, and if they do ban cheaters in batches (as opposed to handpicking them), they're gonna get the heat as well for the innocents that get caught by accident. The reality is that you can't handpick and investigate every single case/account with such a large player base and low RPU (revenue per user), because that would prove too expensive and people don't seem to be ready to pay more than the now-standard 14.99/month. That being said, I'd much rather have a company that mass-ban accounts (yeah, even if *I* get caught by accident in the sweap) than a company that takes no or little action because they're affraid of their player-base reaction. I'd rather have to wait for a few days (or a week or two) before I can log back into my account, was I a victim of such an error, than to live with more bots/cheaters/rmt-ers. I think, at the end of the day, what they really need to make sure they have is a good level of communication when dealing with such issues, and wide-open channels to make it so (ie giving explanations on reason for ban/suspension to the account holder, opening exclusive email addresses for banned people inquiries/investigation, being up-front and announce when banning occured). AFAIK, a good level of communication along with semi-automated sweeps/bannings are the way to go, as they're less expensive and makes more sense business-wise -- and I think that's the very reason quite a few MMOs out there try to go that route... with mitigated results. Fyrr Deerdan - Capsuleer of all trades |
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11/25/06 2:53:39 PM#65
Actually you can buy faction. Twillight texts for Centarion Circle rep. Bijous and coins for ZG rep. Dark Iron ore plus other things for Thorium Brotherhood rep ... Having gold just makes the game easier. Want to enchant your new BoP epic item having gold makes it happen. There are many other uses for in game money. That's probably why there is a demand for it :). Having said that I'd be very to see all gold farmers (the ones sell their labor for real money) and all gold buyers removed for the game ASAP. |
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Shogoo
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Joined: 2/28/03
No..no..no..no...no... Not the Red one Dont Ever Push the Red One! |
11/25/06 3:00:07 PM#66
Yeah Ban'm all!
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11/25/06 3:08:47 PM#67
I'm all for punishing players who break the rules. Including banning them. Hell there are not enough bans given out. When I don't see evidence of botting, gold selling or even players making obsene* statements in public chat. Then there are probably enough bans given out. I don't want to see truly innocent playerers get banned. And neither does Blizzard (or anyother gaming company). What would Blizzard have to gain from banning innocent players? Nothing of course. I don't fear a ban and probably neither do the majority of players who play the game without breaking the rules. |
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11/25/06 3:20:40 PM#68
Well for one it is Blizzards game and they have the right to do what they feel needs to be done to protect the game and its subscribers. Like the editor noted it is hard to judge on the Linux issue or the so called logging into the game at a different location because there just isnt enough information on these 2 occurences. However if the ban is because your running an operating system other then windows then this is unacceptable.. but again we dont know the full story and for anyone that uses linex or unix knows you can do a lot more hacking or other things with these operating systems. Hopefully these issues are corrected but dont judge Blizzard on them until you get the information on what is truly going on. Unfortunately we may never know. Out of every 100 men, 10 should not be there, |
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11/25/06 3:27:59 PM#69
um not true i use firefox and have no problem with the account system. maybe it maybe something else. |
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11/25/06 4:32:41 PM#70
I would tend to agree. Rugster, please ensure that you have the latest version of Firefox installed, as well as the plugins for Flash and Java, at the very least. Fyrr Deerdan - Capsuleer of all trades |
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11/25/06 6:33:26 PM#71
Hating wow. The new COOL thing to do!
I couldn't even get through the first page without noticing some errors. Im sure they have been corrected but.. Blizzard banning Cedega users: Nope. Blizzard has been working with Cedega so its not the fact that people are using linux to run WOW. It is because they are cheating and hoping Cedega covers it. Seriously guys, grown some balls, be your own person and don't follow the rest of the sheep. Stand tall and admit it, you like WOW. But you know the Viva Pinata is the REAL wow killer. |
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11/25/06 7:06:44 PM#72
There is nothing wrong with farming and buying gold. If you have the money, do it. We've been buying gold since the game came out and have never been banned. Audits ? Yeah right. 4 of my 60s have over 35,000 gold on them each. My time > money. Boo hoo hoo I can't get the new rogue book. It won't drop. I lost the roll. So and so ninja'd it. Big deal. BOE items always drop in the AH. Believe me, BOP is just as easy - I have all the full sets for all my toons, once it comes time for the roll start whispering whoever is rolling against you - gold > rolling. You will win every time. Gold buying FTWs. Now flame away "purists". Bahaha. EDIT : Two things to look for when hunting for a new game to play. 1) Is there gold available for purchase and 2) death penalty. The obvious "fun factor" is a given. EDIT : Completely forgot about the faction. I went from 0 to EXALTED in less than 2 hrs from using the Bijous and Twilight Texts. All in all it boils down to time against money for me. And for, I have waaaay more money than time. Let's think about this. You log onto a farming site (I frequent 2). I purchase the highest amount of gold possible. It is delivered in minutes. Hmmm. Minutes or MONTHS of farming ? You decide. Like I said, if you have the cash, do it. Enjoy the game. Buy the pots, gear, etc., get burned out and move to the next game. I still laugh at the people running UBRS over and over and over and still getting nothing. MC, ZG, etc. are all the same. Remember, the loudest people AGAINST gold buying, etc. are usually guilty as hell. Get over it. If you get caught, move along...nothing to see. Just pray your new game has an ingame mailing (w/attachment) system. Ever try trading 100,000k in COH/COV ? Takes f-o-r-e-v-e-r. |
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11/25/06 8:36:28 PM#73
Blizzard is guilty.
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11/25/06 10:11:14 PM#74
"Blizzard is guilty."
Guilty of making MAD MONEY! 
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11/25/06 11:21:02 PM#75
Hah, you said "Hating wow. The new COOL thing to do!", but that's hardly new, more kinda of an old, fun thing to do :P And about the part on "Seriously guys, grown some balls, be your own person and don't follow the rest of the sheep." I'm just gonna ROFLMAO on this one :) Thanks a bunch !!  Fyrr Deerdan - Capsuleer of all trades |
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11/26/06 1:33:31 AM#76
This is sounding alot like a witch hunt for Blizzard. Anyone who they think is a bot is automaticly banned without question. That is not a good thing if the customer is legitmate. I just hope alot of these wrongly banned players were to get together to do a class action lawsuit. Since they are paying customers and is following the rules, there is no reason for blizzard to kick them off. It is Blizzards problem and something the need to fix. EULA is pretty paper thin when it comes between a few hundred people and a good lawyer to sue Blizzard for falsely banning people from a service they paid for.
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11/26/06 1:44:09 AM#77
Yet another way for Blizzard remove players from their over populated bogged down servers. It's time to free up some resources! Start Banning people! w00t!
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11/26/06 5:58:36 AM#78
SWG's EULA also states that you cannot share your account. I had a few guildmates in the past in SWG who were banned for sharing their account. Also, you are paying a monthly fee, but your account is not your property. You are paying fee for being able to access and play the game, so actually you are paying some sort of license fee. Just like software... you are not buying it, you are buying a license to use it. |
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11/26/06 6:12:02 AM#79
That's not true. They are too slow to ban even the most obvious botters. Sometimes they ban a lot of botters at the same time and post an article on their website as a publicity stunt, but as far as I know from various sources on the net, if they don't ban a botter within 9 days, the botter is making profit, so they should do it continuously, and not as a monthly campaign. These gold farming bots are ridiculously easy to spot in WoW, and still some of them are still happily farming even though I reported them almost a month ago. I'm beginning to suspect, too, that Blizzard may have a vested interest in some of those gold farming companies as an extra - and covert - source of income. Botters do not hurt anybody? Not true. Try to do a quest when four or five bots are farming the quest mobs!! Try to mine resources when automated bot miners mine them 3 seconds after they spawn. Also, I think, any legal action against Blizzard would be useless, and the reason why there has been none so far is that any lawyer will tell you the same. Blizzard owns the game and makes you accept their terms for gaining access to their property. If they see it OK, they can ban you without giving any reason, they can suspend your forum rights... remember you are accessing their private property where they are entirely within their rights to set the rules. |
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11/26/06 6:46:08 AM#80
As a long time player of MMOs(only one of which is WoW), there is always more going on behind the scenes then what is portrayed by the players and the companies side. Using WoW as an example Known hackers using the same exact hack for 9 straight months check Known Gold farmers making it through 3 waves of account bans even thou they were reported by 30 people every day for 90 days straight check Working with gold farmers to get their cut of the 'virtual market' check HAving every informative site about the game have links to virtual gold farmers check Having GMs in game think their shait dont stink and that their game is perfect check Training 20 disease ridden mods onto the Night elf hunter making it die over and over again priceless... |
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