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Vociferor
Novice Member
Joined: 9/21/06
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11/10/06 7:38:16 PM#61
I think lomiller and others are right. I've read stock reports from various MMO companies that contain not only their own records but estimated records and growth records of the entire industry and from those reports it would seem the whole industry is at the moment not worth much over 1 billion dollars. Therefore to say, as the OP did, that one MMO is producing more than 1 billion profit per year is a little unbelievable and laughable without any external links or sources. The whole conversation and thread is a little academical and light hearted without proof to credited economists, just theory and opinion, nothing more, talking shite if you will. A billion overall is a bit optimistic in my opinion over the whole time WoW has been released. Trying to say they make 1 bil per year is just a joke though. I've not read every post in this thread so this may many times before have been talked about, however this is my opinion and I would agree with posts that assert a similar view. WoW categorically does not make 1 Bil per year. |
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11/10/06 7:55:09 PM#62
WoW the best? Thats a joke. Does Mc Donald's make the best burger? Hell no. It's just as popular so it must be the best right? Stop being stupid, you like it fine. It's popular fine... it is far from the best. |
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11/10/06 7:58:28 PM#63
I think thats a little misleading because Vivendi owns 60% of the gaming industry. Saying they had 30 billion dollar profit increase is just a sign that the Game Industry is growing. I am pretty certain the9 who hosts WoW as well as other online imports in China has a split revenue with Blizzard. Still I think $760 million revenue per year right now is a safe bet of how much they are making. The economy is different around the world. What might sell for $50 in the US would sell for $7 in China.
I’m not sure you understand what those numbers mean. That is *all* the money Vivendi received for *all* their games over those 3 month periods. Your estimate of what WoW is bringing in exceeds all the money the whole company is bringing in from all the games they sell or distribute. Oops, sorry I don't know why I thought that was a billion. Still your argument further supports my assumption that they aren't making a billion because of the subscribers from China. I said $760 Million because it was a best possibility w/ 7.5 million subscribers. Divide 760 million by 4 and you get 190 million, which is pretty close to thier first quarter earnings with 6.5 million subscribers. Vivendi only saw 3 good selling games Q01 2006, Ice Age 2 was its second highest grossing behind WoW's subscription revenue. So you can pretty much tell that the majority is from WoW, probably close to 100 million was solely from WoW for the first 3 months.
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11/10/06 8:16:25 PM#64
Not profit, revenue. Who knows what the profit is after expenses? But the revenue figure is much easier to derive. Blizzard says it has 7.5m subs. Most sources assume that 4.5m or so of those are in Asia on a reduced pricing plan, so let's leave them out. We know what the other 3m are paying: $15 or thereabouts in local currencies in other western countries. If you do the math, that's about 540m in revenue from Western subscribers per year. You need to add to that the Asian revenues, and even if they are much lower, say in the 150m range, that's still a total revenue from WoW of around 700-750m per annum. Again, revenue, not profit. It's pretty close to a billion in revenue. ---------------------------------------- |
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11/10/06 8:19:19 PM#65
WoW the best? Thats a joke. Does Mc Donald's make the best burger? Hell no. It's just as popular so it must be the best right? Stop being stupid, you like it fine. It's popular fine... it is far from the best. The distinction you're drawing is between your subjective opinion about the quality of the product as compared with the market's opinion. Blizzard, and every other developer, is in business to make money. Blizzard is winning that game, as a company, in spades with their product. McDonald's makes a lot of money for its shareholders as well. ---------------------------------------- |
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11/10/06 9:13:56 PM#66
yay! Blizzard is making an assload of money!!!
and it effects my life.. how.. |
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11/10/06 10:16:37 PM#67
The distinction you're drawing is between your subjective opinion about the quality of the product as compared with the market's opinion. Blizzard, and every other developer, is in business to make money. Blizzard is winning that game, as a company, in spades with their product. McDonald's makes a lot of money for its shareholders as well. Yup. Who says a certain product is best? is it the quality of the product? the quantity? Id say a combination of those 2 and many other factors. Fact is, McDonalds is fast to serve a client, tastes good, and is cheap. Its one of the best products avaialble. Its not healthy for sure. But people who ignore the healthy part, consider McDonalds "best" food for those first 3 reasons. Now instead of trying to point fingers at evil money-hungry corps, we could do something shocking like try and improve bad products. Luckily the trend started going that way with low fat sandwitches and salads. who knows, maybe in the future McDonalds will be a leader in health food. But thats crazy talk. As nova said, McDonalds is reaping a hella money. I call that a definite success, and success doesnt come out of bad products (some other brown stinky stuff comes out of bad products). I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time. |
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11/11/06 2:50:18 AM#68
WoW the best? Thats a joke. Does Mc Donald's make the best burger? Hell no. It's just as popular so it must be the best right? Stop being stupid, you like it fine. It's popular fine... it is far from the best. Ah, the flawed MCdonalds theory, one that every WoW Hater has at least used once. Do you know why MCdonalds is popular? Because MCdonalds is everywhere. every village with 3 houses or more has a MCdonalds. Not the case with WoW, it is everywhere, but so are other MMORPG's. Next, MCdonalds is popular among children. the little toy, anyone? it also serves food that children like to eat. And you know the number one reason? to most people, MCdonalds food actually taste's good for a fast food restaurant. food is subjective. there is no such thing as "quality" in food. Don't compare the food franchise with the MMORPG industry. Stop being stupid. Facts go against your WoW hatred. |
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11/11/06 3:43:00 AM#69
Phew, that was fun! Hahaha, it's always fun to read how people justify not liking or even better, dieing wish to not like wow. As for best part, I can't see whats the problem. You read a review, you try a game, like=play, don't like=don't play. I realy doubt that people would play any game or listen to any music, or eat in McD for that matter if they didn't like it. It's like some people here are on a crusade of rescuing all innocent newbies in the genre from the evil hypnotising, addicting, life stealing, cancer giving WoW, or is it...?
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11/11/06 7:15:25 AM#70
I think Warhammer Online has the highest potential to do what WoW did, simply because Warhammer is a very well known name, just like Warcraft was/is. Garrik ________________________________ Waiting for: Lineage Eternal "once upon a midnight dreary, while i porn surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of 'hot xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, "give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404." |
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11/11/06 7:20:52 AM#71
Yes it does have similar potential. Let's see how it is pulled off. If WAR is designed as an open PvP game with PK looting, it won't be nearly as popular as WoW. ---------------------------------------- |
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11/11/06 11:38:02 AM#72
Yes it does have similar potential. Let's see how it is pulled off. If WAR is designed as an open PvP game with PK looting, it won't be nearly as popular as WoW. Aye, i doubt casuals would enjoy open grief PvP with items they can lose. If WAR is as diverse as WoW, with open but limited PvP, i think it may become as sucessfull as WoW. Im definitely looking forward to try this game. I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time. |
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11/11/06 12:31:45 PM#73
WoW the best? Thats a joke. Does Mc Donald's make the best burger? Hell no. It's just as popular so it must be the best right? Stop being stupid, you like it fine. It's popular fine... it is far from the best. Yeah because we all know we eat stuff that doesn't appeal to us, or doesn't taste good. I bet you eat alot of shit sandwiches now don't you? The only person being stupid around here is you. If you WoW haters best argument is something about fast food chains and McDonalds then you need to try harder. Because the analogy is flawed.
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SnaKey
 Novice Member
Joined: 3/26/04
easthastings. Modjoe and others migrated there |
11/11/06 12:35:44 PM#74
McDonalds is ediable. That's about it and it's barely that. But it's everywhere and when I get off the interstate and I have a choice between "SAM'S FRIED FISH", "DONKEY BBQ PALACE" and "McDonalds" I'm gonna eat at McDonalds. That and McDonalds is open all night in most places, where as everything else closes around 10. Have you noticed the new things on the menu? That's because their CEO(or president or w/e the hell he is) said "We need to quit focusing on getting bigger and start focusing on getting better" |
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11/11/06 12:38:09 PM#75
My Thought of for the day.
WoW makes 1 Billion a Year... The Tobacco companies make what? 3 Figure Billions atleast a year. Just because something makes alot of money, doesn't mean its any good. |
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11/11/06 1:04:41 PM#76
And like I said that argument is stupid and flawed. You might be a mindless sheep that eats something because it's "edible". I personally only eat stuff I like. Rotten food is edible, but would you stop at a resturant that serves that, if it was the only one open at 2am? Didn't think so. Edit: By rotten i'm not implying "rotten" as in gone bad. Just taste bad.
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11/11/06 1:26:20 PM#77
My point was just that saying the word "best" is not a subjective term is grammatically incorrect. That and adapting people's words to fit what you believe...as if to FORCE them to believe what you do, isn't polite or in favor of your argument. You can argue all day that WoW is the best game ever and I will happily argue with you, just make sure you're not trying to say a subjective statement is objective.
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11/11/06 1:51:29 PM#78
...wow, I'm actually amazed at the rediculous theory's people who don't like WoW come up with. |
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11/11/06 2:00:39 PM#79
Wow (pun intended),someone posts the obvious about WOW's success,and we get 8 pages of WOW-related WOW-hate,WOW-love and WOW'ing on WOW. Obviously WOW is still very popular,whether you love it or hate it. So there'll be no problems with The Burning Crusade,even if critics have said it's just 'more of the same'. I like WOW's gameplay,and I'm pining for Darkfall and real PvP. But that's because WOW is easy to play (no mouse clicking,no crap interface,no bugs),easy to pay for and generally fun. |
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11/11/06 3:13:05 PM#80
Aye, i doubt casuals would enjoy open grief PvP with items they can lose. If WAR is as diverse as WoW, with open but limited PvP, i think it may become as sucessfull as WoW. Im definitely looking forward to try this game. Yes, out of next year's crop it's the one I'm looking forward to as well. ---------------------------------------- |
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