Reward without risks makes for a very unrealistic, and boring game imo.  How people can stand a game with little to no consequences for dieing is beyond me.  I personally think this game could be even better with a full pvp system put into place.

If you want to farm all day long until it gets boring, and PVP has no meaning until finally it makes you want to quit,  go play WoW, you'll love it. 

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Originally posted by varius
if you really want PvP with full loot, then wait on Darkfall. Its going to be the best MMO game ever made. Period

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Originally posted by t5chris

Reward without risks makes for a very unrealistic, and boring game imo.  How people can stand a game with little to no consequences for dieing is beyond me.  I personally think this game could be even better with a full pvp system put into place.

If you want to farm all day long until it gets boring, and PVP has no meaning until finally it makes you want to quit,  go play WoW, you'll love it. 

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Dont talk down unless you can say youve read up on this game fully enough to not agree with the options offered. This game is nothing like W.o.W had you read on it before posting youd have known that.

1. There are penalties for death . 3 forms of it.

2. a full pvp system including a full crafting system will be added post launch but dueling and arena combat will be available apon release.

3. pvp should be fun and NOT make you want to quit. Whoever told you while you were growing up that is was fun to beat yourself over the head with a hammer and smile at the pain should be locked away without release.

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Originally posted by bugzonlsd

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Originally posted by varius
if you really want PvP with full loot, then wait on Darkfall. Its going to be the best MMO game ever made. Period

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I read up on darkfall wasnt impressed. I'll stick with Gods & Heroes thanks.

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I'm your huckleberry :)

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Originally posted by paade
Full loot in G&H? I very much doubt it but if they build such a server, im definetly interested. And yes, full/partial loot is the only way to have excellent pvp imo. No, im not some stinking, whining griefer, i just cant enjoy pvp anymore without the thrill that comes from full loot pvp system.

Originally posted by bugzonlsd

Originally posted by bugzonlsd

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Originally posted by varius
if you really want PvP with full loot, then wait on Darkfall. Its going to be the best MMO game ever made. Period

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I read up on darkfall wasnt impressed. I'll stick with Gods & Heroes thanks.

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Please, do tell how G&H is more impressive than Darkfall (other than graphics obviously). I would be VERY interested to hear this.

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Dont mind if I do :)

Darkfalls  FAQ

1.

Can you walk through other players in Darkfall?
No, so blocking entrances will be a viable combat tactic. It is possible to push players and monsters out of the way though, so this tactic can be countered.

You really think griefers wont use that ALLL day long? Gods & Heroes gameplay is griefer retardant, they dont like griefers and they dont support ways of doing it. Any experienced mmo gamer already knows that scenario and recognise it right off the bat.

2.

Will there be player owned houses?
Players will be able to set up houses of various sizes and design, ranging from small cottages to huge castles and citadels.

Gods & Heroes gives you the freedom of your own camp without cluttering up the gameworld, less houses =less lag :) Not to mention the blacksmith that comes along with it nomore waiting on other players to make your weapons and armor you can do it yourself.

3.

I enjoy playing support characters. Will my contribution make a difference in combat?
Your contribution could be very valuable. Logistics are very important in Clan warfare. The tradesmen, farmers, bakers, miners and other support characters stocking up supplies of spell reagents, gold, weapons, potions, armor, and whatever else is needed, are crucial to the war effort. Fighting ability alone will not be able to sustain a successful campaign for long. A clan will need to balance their activities, or cooperate with other clans in order to be successful.

Noone even has to ask this question about Gods & Heroes, if you choose to pick a support class not only will you be valuable to the group and contribute your gonna have 6-8 minions supporting you- the support class lol

4.

What’s the best path to follow to be successful in combat?
The best individual fighters in Darkfall will most likely be the characters that have a good combination of skills. In Clan warfare, clans with a good mix of various specialties should fare the best.

bah its skillbased which means if you dont got the right skills you dont go on the raid and you may verywell find yourself regrinding alot or begging for respecs to keep up with the fotms. This isnt going to be a problem in Gods & heroes because EVERYONE is going to be able to do well nomatter the build.

5.

Aren’t you worried that out of control random player killers will ruin the game?
No. Being a random player killer of evil alignment is definitely possible, but also an extremely hard career. You will have enemies everywhere, and will have a hard time finding a safe city to trade in. You have the freedom to play such a character, but there’s also accountability for the choices you make.

Random pk leads to griefing and I promise that will be exactly what I said...griefing. This game is an attempt at uo with a new graphics engine imo and they arent fooling anyone! lol thing is... Uo was a once in a lifetime deal buddy there wont be another. Gods & Heroes isnt trying to be like any other mmo its a whole new unique game!

6.

Will Darkfall have safe zones?
There are no safe zones in Darkfall unless the players themselves create them or seek them out. There is no area where a player cannot be attacked by another player.

I loooove the pvp dude in any mmo! ANY MMO :) but... dont you hate when your sitting at the bank and you get ganked trying to drop off your loot? Look for that to happen very frequently in darkfall and NOT once IN Gods & Heroes :)

7.

 How are you going to handle Player Killing?
Anyone can attack anyone. In fact Darkfall encourages you to seek out and kill enemies of your race and your clan. However, it is up to each kingdom to set the rules of their borders. The different kingdoms have NPC guards that have orders given to them by the player kings and lords. You can order the guards to attack on sight. The guard “hit list” can include clan names, individual player names, specific races, alignments, and enemies.

Wow dude can you say griefer online? rofl Hey its sounds fun to me i got used to that in shadowbane and Uo but... Gods & heroes gives you the player.. the option to pvp that means its friendly to all type gamers and not people bent on pvp and continous gankage and murder lol jeez. i like games that have players in them that actually play not get ganked frequently and quit after 2 days. But you know i may try this just to come kill a few nOObs with ya O.o

8.

What is the setting of this game?
The setting of Darkfall is a fantasy adventure where anything is possible, with dragons, elves, orks, sorcery, epic battles, quests, and the never-ending struggle between good and evil.

Sorry bro but Im sick of elves and orcs. Gods & heroes puts me in Rome as a person with the power of the mythological roman gods :)

9.

How big is the world?
The world is huge, possibly the largest single online game world ever created. Besides being huge, the world features hundreds of islands you could discover and make your secret base on. As you travel across Agon you will encounter unique terrain features never seen before in online games, such as mountains ranges that rise for thousands of feet, waiting for you to climb and explore them.

I love huge worlds man I really do but not so huge that i spend all of my time getting from point A to point B.

Gods & heroes landmap is pretty huge too but I'd doubt I'll be wandering around lost and getting pk'd throughout the time Im exploring. hehe

10.

I wont diss the graphics bro Im an bit of an artist myself and know polycounts really make a difference sometimes for use in mmos but G&h has it hands down.

 If its epic warfare ya want you can get that in G&H too! darkfall didnt invent it and wont be the only game offering it :) have a look at the clips in the media sectionhere.

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Originally posted by bugzonlsd

Dont talk down unless you can say youve read up on this game fully enough to not agree with the options offered. This game is nothing like W.o.W had you read on it before posting youd have known that.

1. There are penalties for death . 3 forms of it.

2. a full pvp system including a full crafting system will be added post launch but dueling and arena combat will be available apon release.

3. pvp should be fun and NOT make you want to quit. Whoever told you while you were growing up that is was fun to beat yourself over the head with a hammer and smile at the pain should be locked away without release.

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1. There are penalties for death . 3 forms of it.

2. a full pvp system including a full crafting system will be added post launch but dueling and arena combat will be available apon release.

3. pvp should be fun and NOT make you want to quit. Whoever told you while you were growing up that is was fun to beat yourself over the head with a hammer and smile at the pain should be locked away without release.

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If you read more closely, I was agreeing with the point made by the topic creator.  And, when did I say anything bad about this game?  I anticipate pvp, but would like to see a full pvp system.  I'm not sure what your point is with #3, because we seem to share the same concensus. 

My apologies Chris it seems I misunderstood your points.

#3 reguarding pvp and fun can be used then to describe anyone who feels that way. Generally 

Aquila26, never heard of risk vs reward? You should try it.

And stop being such a carebear.

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Originally posted by virre

Aquila26, never heard of risk vs reward? You should try it.

And stop being such a carebear.

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I know all about risk vs reward and Im probably one of the many first to use the term "carebear" coming from the older days of Ultima Online :) I might also add sir that I played shadowbane for a good while too. I have no problem with risk -vs- reward and i have no problem decimating you in the arena if you feel the need to find out who the carebear really is :) Maybe you should come on out to G&H apon release and back up your use of the term carebear as its sooo easy to BE a carebear and run your mouth in a forum :D 

Make no mistake this game has EVERY type of gamer interested in it. Dont think certain things havent been proposed by some of the future gamers of G&H. 9 Out of 10 people ask about pvp and are ready for that chance. We just like the option to choose when and where we battle and not have it dictated to us by the system itself.  Simply having an ffa server with certain rules that compliment/bar runamuckery and battle, looting and permadeath are all being discussed and considered.

Guess what? I support a player having options, the option to kill a trashtalker on a forum, the option to loot a trashtalker on a forum, and the option to let that noob trash talk on a forum where he is safe. Its all about options :D maybe you should learn something about that? Or are you so onesided that you cant see that certain games dont give you options?

Dont use the term carebear unless your ready to prove that you arent one yourself. I pointed out in the post above that Id probably come out to df and give it a go as Im not close minded and am fairly experienced with that type of game environment :) SUCKA

OK, Aquila26, its a deal. You try Df and I will try G&H. :D

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Originally posted by Aquila26

I'm your huckleberry :)

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Originally posted by paade
Full loot in G&H? I very much doubt it but if they build such a server, im definetly interested. And yes, full/partial loot is the only way to have excellent pvp imo. No, im not some stinking, whining griefer, i just cant enjoy pvp anymore without the thrill that comes from full loot pvp system.

Originally posted by bugzonlsd

Originally posted by bugzonlsd

Originally posted by bugzonlsd

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Originally posted by varius
if you really want PvP with full loot, then wait on Darkfall. Its going to be the best MMO game ever made. Period

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I read up on darkfall wasnt impressed. I'll stick with Gods & Heroes thanks.

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Please, do tell how G&H is more impressive than Darkfall (other than graphics obviously). I would be VERY interested to hear this.

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Dont mind if I do :)

Darkfalls  FAQ

1.

Can you walk through other players in Darkfall?
No, so blocking entrances will be a viable combat tactic. It is possible to push players and monsters out of the way though, so this tactic can be countered.

You really think griefers wont use that ALLL day long? Gods & Heroes gameplay is griefer retardant, they dont like griefers and they dont support ways of doing it. Any experienced mmo gamer already knows that scenario and recognise it right off the bat.

2.

Will there be player owned houses?
Players will be able to set up houses of various sizes and design, ranging from small cottages to huge castles and citadels.

Gods & Heroes gives you the freedom of your own camp without cluttering up the gameworld, less houses =less lag :) Not to mention the blacksmith that comes along with it nomore waiting on other players to make your weapons and armor you can do it yourself.

3.

I enjoy playing support characters. Will my contribution make a difference in combat?
Your contribution could be very valuable. Logistics are very important in Clan warfare. The tradesmen, farmers, bakers, miners and other support characters stocking up supplies of spell reagents, gold, weapons, potions, armor, and whatever else is needed, are crucial to the war effort. Fighting ability alone will not be able to sustain a successful campaign for long. A clan will need to balance their activities, or cooperate with other clans in order to be successful.

Noone even has to ask this question about Gods & Heroes, if you choose to pick a support class not only will you be valuable to the group and contribute your gonna have 6-8 minions supporting you- the support class lol

4.

What’s the best path to follow to be successful in combat?
The best individual fighters in Darkfall will most likely be the characters that have a good combination of skills. In Clan warfare, clans with a good mix of various specialties should fare the best.

bah its skillbased which means if you dont got the right skills you dont go on the raid and you may verywell find yourself regrinding alot or begging for respecs to keep up with the fotms. This isnt going to be a problem in Gods & heroes because EVERYONE is going to be able to do well nomatter the build.

5.

Aren’t you worried that out of control random player killers will ruin the game?
No. Being a random player killer of evil alignment is definitely possible, but also an extremely hard career. You will have enemies everywhere, and will have a hard time finding a safe city to trade in. You have the freedom to play such a character, but there’s also accountability for the choices you make.

Random pk leads to griefing and I promise that will be exactly what I said...griefing. This game is an attempt at uo with a new graphics engine imo and they arent fooling anyone! lol thing is... Uo was a once in a lifetime deal buddy there wont be another. Gods & Heroes isnt trying to be like any other mmo its a whole new unique game!

6.

Will Darkfall have safe zones?
There are no safe zones in Darkfall unless the players themselves create them or seek them out. There is no area where a player cannot be attacked by another player.

I loooove the pvp dude in any mmo! ANY MMO :) but... dont you hate when your sitting at the bank and you get ganked trying to drop off your loot? Look for that to happen very frequently in darkfall and NOT once IN Gods & Heroes :)

7.

 How are you going to handle Player Killing?
Anyone can attack anyone. In fact Darkfall encourages you to seek out and kill enemies of your race and your clan. However, it is up to each kingdom to set the rules of their borders. The different kingdoms have NPC guards that have orders given to them by the player kings and lords. You can order the guards to attack on sight. The guard “hit list” can include clan names, individual player names, specific races, alignments, and enemies.

Wow dude can you say griefer online? rofl Hey its sounds fun to me i got used to that in shadowbane and Uo but... Gods & heroes gives you the player.. the option to pvp that means its friendly to all type gamers and not people bent on pvp and continous gankage and murder lol jeez. i like games that have players in them that actually play not get ganked frequently and quit after 2 days. But you know i may try this just to come kill a few nOObs with ya O.o

8.

What is the setting of this game?
The setting of Darkfall is a fantasy adventure where anything is possible, with dragons, elves, orks, sorcery, epic battles, quests, and the never-ending struggle between good and evil.

Sorry bro but Im sick of elves and orcs. Gods & heroes puts me in Rome as a person with the power of the mythological roman gods :)

9.

How big is the world?
The world is huge, possibly the largest single online game world ever created. Besides being huge, the world features hundreds of islands you could discover and make your secret base on. As you travel across Agon you will encounter unique terrain features never seen before in online games, such as mountains ranges that rise for thousands of feet, waiting for you to climb and explore them.

I love huge worlds man I really do but not so huge that i spend all of my time getting from point A to point B.

Gods & heroes landmap is pretty huge too but I'd doubt I'll be wandering around lost and getting pk'd throughout the time Im exploring. hehe

10.

I wont diss the graphics bro Im an bit of an artist myself and know polycounts really make a difference sometimes for use in mmos but G&h has it hands down.

 If its epic warfare ya want you can get that in G&H too! darkfall didnt invent it and wont be the only game offering it :) have a look at the clips in the media sectionhere.

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1) Anyone whos ever played a game with blocking knows that nine out of ten times its the griefers that get blocked and killed.

2) Once houses are placed they are static and cause as much lag as a tree or rock. If you get a house and smith off the bat, it wont be long until you get everything you'll ever need in your house. Its kinda like playin drop a rock, ya just cant lose. Any type of instance is a big old negative, might as well be a stand alone game.

3) If nothing else at least the 6 or 8 npcs will be a valuable support class.

4) Skill based is just that, meaning it takes skill, level based, well, drop your rock again and gain a level.

5) If the penalty for random PKing is stiff enough there will be very little, when UO made the 20% stat loss for pks you could'nt find a PK. Sooner or later a company will make a UO replacement, once people get tired of playing games where the world is handed to you on a platter.

6) Well of course it wont happen theres no looting. I started out on UO but once EA games bought and killed the game all the vets left, since then I've played EVE, SWG, SB, WOW and a host of others and I'm sorry but there is no excitement.

7) I get get to turn my pvp button on or off, hello excitement. Mythbusters dipel the myth, with no looting no one griefs because theres no point why waste time killing a player with nothing to loot? However if theres never anything to loot its griefer heaven because thats all there is to do. If theres nothing at stake then the only reason to pvp is to cause grief.

8) I could care less wether its high fanatasy, history, western or sci fi, game mechanics is all that matters.

9) Cmon really the bigger the world the better.

I'm not sure if either of these games are what I'm looking for, right now I'm playing UO on a free server all other games fall way short so I have to play the second oldest game there is.

Gods and heroes may be very good so might darkfall, but as game after game disappoints, culminating in the mindless, skillfree, linear garbage that is wow, I'll take the fifth on expressing any opinion of a game that is'nt yet released. 

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Originally posted by virre

OK, Aquila26, its a deal. You try Df and I will try G&H. :D

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rofl thats all im sayiin bro just give it a try. I dont rule out df you people rule out G&H then we can choose whats what. sounds like a plan. haha

Havoc I think you'll come around bro i really do. :D and when ya do I think you'll be happy but like you say wait till its out and then judge.

I think its retarded that a simple solution of choice is usually overlooked....why not just have a server that allows loot PvP?....a server for the carebears.....maybe even a server for consentual PVP....Thats what I loved about Rallos Zek (EQ1) in the old days....there were other servers to choose from...so the carebears could simply walk hand in hand on the other servers....leave a server for the hardcore player that doesnt mind a good fight...(even from a griefer)...and is mature enough to handle the loss of an item.....having a choice is really what makes an MMORPG fun IMO. 

I agree with you is some areas and dont inthe other areas. Like some people love to PVP but dont want to lose there stuff they worked so hard to get. But I do think there should be zones for ppl who want to full looting privileges and zones who dont want full looting.

P.S. there should be rewards like points to get awsome items when you PVP too.