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10/21/06 5:00:05 AM#21
What a surprise. People who don't care for the game speculating how they will not care for the expansion. I've played games (EQ) that are "hard". Where a mistimed lag spike or server dissconnect could cost you a weeks worth of leveling and possibly the loss of your gear. No thanks I'll pass. I've played games (SWG) where the developer decided to add "exciting" changes to the entire way you play the game. Again no thanks. If you don't like Wow please go review and play something else. It meets mine and 6 million other peoples needs for evening entertainment just fine.
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10/21/06 5:22:40 AM#22
This spelled the end for me and WoW. I think it is especially sad that after 2 years this is the best they can come up with for an expansion. I was VERY disappointed in no new classes. Not to mention the fact that they are letting Blood Elves become paladins completely ruins the story line thus far and is a lazy way to balance. For those of us that like the story aspect of the game, it is a huge let down. This game is SO one deminsional now. Really at 60 (I have 3 of them) all there is to do is raid. That is it. I am sorry but running MC or AQ or Naxx even over and over and over gets so boring. It becomes your 2nd job if you want to get your DKP up and not a fun 2nd job at that. The PvP is such a let down. Honor/Status mean nothing. I got exaulted in AV while I was AFK LOL. With the expansion they are taking what little competitiveness they have to make PvP fun away. Basically they are adding more of the same just as the reviewer said. They think they are making some ground breaking change having raids go from 40 man to 25 man... all I have to say is PUHLEEEZ. 25 or 40 it is still another boring raid that you have done 30 times in the hopes you get enough DKP to roll on one item. They could have actually added some new things that WERE NOT RAIDS with this expansion. They blew it in my eyes. Not to mention that everything I have read about beta shows that it will take you as long to get from 60 to 70 as it did from around 20-60 originally. So.. no thanks just so I can go run raid after raid and now not even PvP to get higher rank... bleh. I loved alot about WoW at first but they fail to add anything other then raids and they make so much money now (53% of all MMO dollars) so why should they bother to actually make something great. They are going to get everyone's money even if they put out a big pile of you know what, which is just what this expansion is! |
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10/21/06 5:25:32 AM#23
Until something new comes along, we have only have the same Warcraft we knew in 2004, just more of it. Interesting take on grammar Garrett, but like you said, if it's not broken, why fix it? DAoC was broken and, despite the significant changes of the expansion, still left the majority of RPG fans holding their noses as if smelling dingleberries left over from a week of camping with no toilet paper or showers (personally I preferred the camping over playing this monument to crappy gaming). It doesn't take a room full of Vivendi Games developers to calculate that 7 million >>> 220,000. Well, based on their game development abilities, maybe it does... In response to your comment about 'ushering in a new wave of mmo greatness' (by the way, in a professional article acronyms should generally be capitalized) WoW has set the standard in MMO gaming. For the next decade we'll be buried up to our faces in poorly made WoW clones (anyone heard of Vangaurd?) Anyway, I'd like to conclude by making a recommendation. If you don't like WoW, don't play it. The vast majority of MMO players will continue to enjoy it without you. Trust me. Also, if you don't play WoW, please don't comment about it. If you don't play it, then you don't know about it. If you don't know about it, you are making an assumption. And when you make an assumption, you make an A$$ out of you and 'mption. Thank you. |
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10/21/06 5:28:16 AM#24
The problem most of you have with WoW is the way you play it... most of you are complaining about grinding, dungeon crawling, etc. If you don't like it, then don't do it?
There are plenty of fun quests to complete... so what if the rewards aren't useful to you and it's too low-level for you? I once spent a few days completing all the quests in Mulgore at level 40 or so, and I did enjoy myself. There are plenty of areas to explore... so what if the creeps there are too low-level, or too high-level for you? I remember one night I went to the night elf starting area (forgot the name :o) together with a fellow orc (both of us being level 60) and we had fun just exploring it and interacting with the players there. I logged out in a cave full of spiders there and the next day I did just the same for a while. And you can always join a PvP arena... you don't have to have top-notch gear or the best spec or anything, the point is to have fun there, not to have the most kills. I agree that having Blood Elves as Paladins and Draenei as Shamans is the worst thing they could've come up with though :| 
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10/21/06 7:37:41 AM#25
the only thing that really bothers me in wow is gear.
60druid 60shaman, supposedly hybrid classes...... what gear? heals. sure i can make any uber talent build, if i wanna run in blues. if i wanted to make a healer for pvp seriously, i would have rolled pally. as im not packing 5k+ armor.... id rather not. and for those that dont pvp and still raid.... y submit to that VERY sick form of torture? so as they seemed to have made the talents very raid friendly for almost any build, except prolly retrib pally and BM hunter (still issue with pets dieing heh, AOE mobs and no healers....) will there b gear? if not GG, pvp is too gear dependant (a fact that continues to tick me off since X realms). |
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10/21/06 7:45:21 AM#26
I don't play WoW, and I'm not a fanboi by any leap of the imagination.
The word from people who like the game however , that BETA tested BC, is that it's going to be awesome. So if you like WoW you will like it more with BC, simple as that. It's better be hated for who you are, than loved for who you aren't. |
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10/21/06 8:16:23 AM#27
Do you have idea what kind of money WoW makes yearly? It's basically all pure profit. They recouped development costs in 1-2 months.. The expansion should of had things like naval combat , real time city building and destruction... not just the same BS pve junk that WoW basically is. |
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10/21/06 8:19:34 AM#28
First off, this is an editorial which expresses the opinion of a single person. If you like WoW and are playing WoW currently, the expansion will be fantastic. If you have grown tired of the game, then there is nothing being added that will hold your interest long term. This can be said of almost all games and all expansions.
There are a couple items, however, that I believe are overlooked in the article. First, this is the first expansion of WoW and it comes 2 years after release. Most recent MMOGs have offered their first expansion in less time. This is both good and bad. It means that the original content and that which has been added as free updates has been enough to sustain the rather large player base that is currently in the game. It also means that you have a much higher concentration of people at end game and the expectations of what is added will be higher. This leads to my second point which was the comparison of The Burning Crusade to DAOC's Trials of Atlantis. Trials of Atlantis was not DAOC's first expansion. DAOC's first expansion (Shrouded Isles) did offer new classes, but aside from that, it was basically just more of the same DAOC that you already had. So comparing Burning Crusade to Trials of Atlantis is in my opinion not an apples to apples comparison. Now, an interesting area of debate that I seldom see explored is one addressing the topic of what the role of an expansion should be. Do we really want expansions that radically shift the game? Isn't that a sign that the release game wasn't done well enough? When, as a gamer, do you acknowledge that you have simply outgrown a title versus expecting that a development team is going to be able to rekindle the same feeling of 'new' with an expansion pack? Let's face it, no expansion pack will ever hold our interest or provide the same types of challenges as those first couple months of playing a brand new title. So again, it is an editorial and everyone is entitled to their opinion. I just wonder if more often than not we as gamers need to step back and analyze if our opinions aren't being driven by our expectations which are founded in a sometimes unrealistic zeal. |
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10/21/06 8:20:11 AM#29
They're probably working on new features like that... but it takes a lot of time to develop things like that. I'm pretty sure it won't be too long before a new expansion is announced.
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10/21/06 9:40:47 AM#30
Interesting Review..
I have an opinion, so don't flame me.. Just thoughts/wishes that the expansion could of had. 1.) Mages would get a critter/creature something to command. I don't mean they should have (3) like EQ has, but something to roll along side of the Squishy. If it would take cutting a tad into our spell tree to balance this.. fine! At least that way it would be different AND.. Interesting.  2.) Have a Enchanter Class with a 'Sword/Shield' Animation (or something like that) :) That would of really fit into the Jewelry Crafting that is coming out. 3.) Let Hunters be able to once again.. tame Unique creatures! Damn.. I will always remember that "Z-Snake" they were able to tame eons ago! All we get to tame are the hum/drum critters.. how about something new Blizzard?! :) Welp.. As least I can wish, can't I? Hehe As far as the rest goes.. I am happy with what is coming out. I still love/hate this game & probably will until the time comes I want to quit. "Huntress" |
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10/21/06 9:42:10 AM#31
Considering how long it took for BC to come out I wouldn't get my hopes up to be frank. Savour this one and be thankful for it, lol. It's better be hated for who you are, than loved for who you aren't. |
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10/21/06 9:43:30 AM#32
'As much as people thought Dark Age of Camelot was ruined by Trials of Atlantis, you must admit it added great changes for characters in the game' This says it all for me. You don't bring out an expansion to 'ruin' a game. You bring it out to earn revenue. WoW does not need more people, it needs to retain who they have. Therefore they are not aiming for nearly all of the posters on this forum but rather those who are still playing. So, rule number 1 is; never alter what you have unless you can with certainty determine that this will 'improve' your product. You can't do that with over 6 million players (look at the diverse views just on this forum). So you go for option 2 which is; do the same again with some minor enhancements that are enough to warrant existing players paying out more cash. There you go. On a different note. It seems wierd to me this emphasis on high level characters. So what if there is nothing much to do when you've got to the top? It seems to me that playing a game is about a fun process, not a fun end point. I think this is what many reviewers miss. If all the fun comes at the end of character development then only a dedicated few will get there (look at how Asian MMOs don't do very well here). WoW was able to make this process relatively fun for lots of people, just means the end part is less so. Finally, please let's judge games by the standards that they set themselves. Only then can we get meaningful reviews. WoW was designed from the ground up to be accessible, if this means 'simple' for some people then that is what they did. To then critizise it on the grounds that it is 'simple' kind of misses the point. Like saying that AC/DC are too rock when you wanted some country and western. |
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10/21/06 9:56:47 AM#33
o ya, theyll anounce it soon enough, but seriously, they are blizzard lol. wait a few years and it might come out, just b glad its not a console game and will b delayed till next generation lol. |
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10/21/06 10:29:31 AM#34
I don't often wander these forums anymore, but after checking my e-mail this morning I happened to notice the burning crusade editoral and thought to myself I'd check it out. I was perticulary interested because the person who wrote it isn't in beta and I kinda am. I will say this much, the writer has one thing right, TBC's grind is more of the same wow we've come to expect. Now that isn't to say there aren't changes, there are a ton, and more than just 10 more levels, new items, and new spells, but they're just not substancal enough to say that they change the leveling game enough. As for raiding we'll have to wait and see, blizzard currently has a level 67 cap on us, and untlll thats lifted I won't be able to report back with any more information.
Now many of you have suggested that blizzard isn't listening to their player base and that is simply not true. I don't say this as a fan boy, something I"m sure all be called for daring to make such a statement, I say this from looking at the design of outland. People are complaining about no world PVP. Well now every zone has a pvp objective. Sure it's not an epic battlefield, but it's there and there are more than one quest that involves players getting thrown into the fray. So hopefuly people will gain something more out of the experance, and pve people might dare risk flipping their flag on for a little exp. Is this system as interesting as DAOC's tower and relic system? No. Is it a step in the right dirrection? I believe so. In addition to the world pvp objectives blizzard has also removed their ladder pvp system, although ranks are still retained to provide people with a status symbol, in favor of using a honor as currencey system. This system allows players to save up honor earned and use it, when they would like, to purchase items at the pvp shop. which is good for both casual and hardcore players alike. Players complain that wow is a solo grind, well guys TBC's mobs are much tougher than the mobs we knew from Azeroth. Now I'm not saying that they're get a full party ready hard, but they are hard enough that grouping with another player is a good idea, but not a necessary one. Although on a personal note, had they changed the game so that it was no longer soloable, I don't think I would be playing it anymore and neither would a vast majory of the seven million people who currently play the game. As such I think they made a wise desicion in ignoring your claims. As to the people who don't enjoy end game raiding, we'll have to wait and see. I simply don't have enough information at this current time to be able to tell you if that changed or not. (Although I serriously doubt it) As I'm starting to question why I'm writing this instead of playing the game I'm going to skip the info and go straight to the point. Fans of the warcraft game will love it. It takes everything you like about wow and then gives alot more. People who left the game because they ran out of stuff to do. People whoenjoyed playing WOW for leveling and small groups should also pick it up as TBC's lands are vast, think three strangle thorn vales per zone, beautiful, save hellfire penisula (SP) which looks kinda like the blasted lands if painted by salvadore dolly, and interesting. Sure it might not be the life obession you desire, but it's a great deal of fun and really for 40 bucks it's cheaper and has more depth than most games that come out these days. As for those who left wow because they geniunely didn't like it, or because you like another game more, may I suggest staying with your old title and not bothering with TBc. It's not so diffrent that it's likely to change your mind anytime soon. One last thing I will mention before I log to not check this forum for another month. People remember and opinion is an opinion, and unless you serroulsy think you have some light to shed on a topic, please refrain from posting every thought that runs through your head. Sure you don't like WOW, or you did but you don't anymore because you got sick of raiding, then thats fine, but why do you think you to to write that down and post it for all to see. Chances are you are not important enough for people who disagree with you to care, and the only thing you do is get other yes men to appear and spout their uninteresting opinions as well. Had this been an artical been called, "why you left wow" I coudl see why you'd right down your opinions, but as it's not please try and keep the thread looking forward at BC instead of backwords at why you left warcraft. Thank you Mr. Vice |
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10/21/06 10:30:42 AM#35
Congratulations - u made me register an account here, was just a casual browser....but had to reply. I suggest you turn the general chat channel on ingame or go read your forums, by all means speak for yourself but not the rest of us six million thanks. I never stop hearing complaints about the game or Blizzard in chat or on forums, there is far from 6 million content players. The last few months have seen numerous people stop playing the game bored at level 60 with non stop pve raiding. If u havent seen that then you must be on a realm of your own. A lot of the ones I have known leave have kept accounts as they want to see what BC is going to bring. In fact you can see more and more people milling around main cities doing nothing as they wait for BC. This could be a make or break for Blizzard. Personally i thought the editorial summed up my feelings on what I have read but I guess i will buy the expnasion and see what's it like but have a feeling I wont last long afterwards. My biggest gripe, which is unlike a lot of others, is the raising of the level cap. How can they let u play the game for 18 months and then pretty much say u have to start again? New content yes, new dunegoens with varying size raids yes, change the pvp system yes...but tell everyone at level 60 they have to level again is crap imo. Add to that 450k xp from 60-61, so i assume approaching 600k to go level 69-70 and i cant see many of my 6 level 60's making 70 before the game is over for me. Anyone any suggestions on something better to play or should i go back to rl if this is all thats on offer? |
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10/21/06 10:39:29 AM#36
I doubt they won't be brining out any more expansions. Of course, every other Blizzard game has had exactly one expansion (except for WC1 as far as I know) but an MMO is something entirely different. It's a game that's meant to be changing all the time, and some of those changes just can't be brought to you in a patch (not to forget the extra money they earn by selling it of course.) I'm pretty sure they'll bring out another expansion or two before WoW stops being popular.
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10/21/06 11:22:07 AM#37
i've not read all the bitchin here but i still got a question
they said they have now 25man dungeons so what? what i want to know are they shorter? i quit not couse there was low chance to get something nice i quit couse the instances at lvl 60 took way to much time i dont like to spent half off the day sitting in my room staring at the monitor Pi*1337/100 = 42 |
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Kassiah
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Joined: 1/29/05
Currently MMO hopping as I seek a new addiction. Awaiting: Fallen Earth (and a few others) |
10/21/06 12:00:11 PM#38
I've played the beta, and this review is right on-target - there is nothing particularly revolutionary in TBO. That is not necessarily a bad thing though, in my opinion, at least for a first expansion. The new races, starting areas and quests will give bored players something new to experience. There are new zones and quests for ALL levels to check out. Raising the level cap 10 more levels for all classes is no small undertaking, and is a lot to balance. Jewel crafting is a nice addition. Seems like a solid expansion well worth the bucks for those who still enjoy WoW |
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karat76
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Joined: 8/22/06
Greatest threat to society is letting casualties of puberty reproduce. |
10/21/06 1:32:16 PM#39
Don't think I will buying it. Sounds like just another raid fest. Blizz punishes players for having a life outside of the game. Requiring 20 and 40man raids is moronic. 10 should be tops. They fail to understand that some of the wow community actually have jobs so can't live online to get into raid guilds they really should give the more casual players a chance at some decent epics they have more than given the raiders enough to fight over.
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10/21/06 2:10:19 PM#40
I want a boss that takes 2000 people to kill
It's better be hated for who you are, than loved for who you aren't. |
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