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The Grumpy Vet

Random rants on the (poor) state of the MMO Industry

Author: ste2000

DUST 514: Biggest commercial mistake ever?

Posted by ste2000 Monday October 8 2012 at 5:53PM
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As a long time (on/off) EVE player I always thought there was something the game was missing, that's the reason why I 've been playing this game on and off for quite sometime.

I like the concept, I like the space combat, the crafting, the economy, the PvP and the feeling of freedom EVE offers, but I always felt there was something the game needed that would make me stick with it for longer than few months at a time.

I felt that what this game was missing was the ability to leave your ship and fight with your avatar on a Planet or on a Space Station, is short EVE was missing an FPS feature, fighting in Space is cool but sometimes it can become rather boring staring at all that black background all the time (The Space), I thought, how awesome would it be to land on a Planet and fight your enemy with Rifles or Plasma Guns?

So when I heard that CCP was making an FPS based on EVE lore I could not believe this was really going to happen, or maybe not.

I cannot describe my disappointment when I learnt that DUST 514 was going to be a PS3 game only, I mean WTF.................

DUST 514 Tank



Now before people jump in and start telling me that it is wrong whinging about developers and criticise them for not making the game I LIKE, I'd like to put the records straight.

I still like CCP, I will still play EVE (on/off), and I am still excited about WoD  (as long as is not going to be Playstation only..........), but NO, I won't buy a PS3 for the privilege of playing DUST 514.


I am not asking CCP to make the game I want, I am just going to try and make an analysys on the reasons I feel Dust 514 will not be the commercial success CCP is hoping it will be, actually I would go as far as saying that it will be a big flop, unless they invest millions in advertisement, of course.

The reason why I think DUST 514 will flop has nothing to do with the quality of the product which I trust it will be great, but more with the weird decision of making this game PS3 exclusive.

DUST 514 is based on EVE Universe, as we all know.

Now, while EVE is a well known and established IP in the MMO Universe, it is totally unknown to the average gamer, therefore CCP cannot use the appeal of the EVE lore to attract customers outside of the MMO market, and this is the first major barrier.

The second problem, and biggest mistake in my view, is the absurd decision of CCP of making DUST 514 exclusive to Playstation 3............while directly connected to a PC esclusive MMO (EVE).

I understand that MMO developers are trying to extend their reach to other platforms other than the PCs, but excluding the PC market altogher considering the fact that EVE is a well established PC game is ridicoulus.

The idea that EVE players are going to buy a Playstation 3 to play DUST 514 is as absurd as thinking that the average PS3 gamer will rush to the shops to buy DUST 514 because of the EVE lore, simply it is not going to happen.

Another problem is the fact that the PS3 platform is flooded with quality FPS and DUST 514 will have to fight with far more popular IPs than EVE, I really cannot see CCP winning this battle too easily, in fact I predict they will come out with few broken bones, and that is regardless the quality of DUST 514 itself.

DUST 514 Assault



I am not so naive not to understand that by signing an exclusive contract with one of the console platforms, CCP will get some sort of advantage (money generally) but to be honest what CCP failed to understand is that if they only believed in their own product and made DUST 514 available also on PC they would have not only sold DUST 514 to all EVE players, but they would have doubled EVE players as well.

Most of people who try EVE have mixed reactions, while they think the game concept is great, at the same time they feel Space Combat is a rather restricting gameplay and they would like some sort of avatar action in order to stick with it.

Personally, I would gladly have paid 2 separate subscriptions for EVE and Dust 514 if the latter was avaible for PC, so if CCP thought that Dust 514 would have cannibalized EVE player base, they were wrong.

DUST 514 Fittings



Todays big question in the MMO community is what will it be the next big thing.

Well, I am pretty sure that EVE + Dust 514 could have been the next big thing, I mean nothing could beat the combination of Space Combat + FPS + Sandbox, that's the kind of innovation the MMO market needs right now.

It is a pity CCP missed the chance to truly revolutionize the MMO industry with an original concept which was really within their reach.

They wasted lots of money and energy in making another FPS which the PS3 community will either ignore completely or play it for a limited amount of time and then forget about it.


World of Darkness


Nevermind............I guess IT is time to move on and focus my attention on the World of Darkness, and please no PS3 exclusive madness this time, dear CCP.

calranthe writes:

While I agree it would be nice for Dust 514 to be pc, I have a ps3 used basicly as a bluray player, gaming I use my pc for everything.

I still have hope that 514 could come to pc one day the main problem is this.

PC gamers with keyboard and mice walk all over console gamers ability apart from that very top .5%, When Halo came out on the pc even with the not so amazing port microsoft had to split the servers to pc only and xbox only because pc player completely wasted the competition.

Now think about dust imagine the angst of all those ps3 players once a basic pc player who has been playing first person shooters since doom walks on the field.

EVE does not do seperate servers the whole idea of 514 is to be part of the same universe.

514 has a chance on the ps3 simple because it will be free to play.

<-- won't grab it for my ps3 even though It is free, I tried to many fps on consoles and found the control system horrible.

Don't get me wrong I do not hate controllers, I use a 360 controller for racing games on my pc and enjoy some games like crackdown on the 360 but fps is just a pc mouse and keyboard to me.

I still wish ccp well with it because I love my spaceships game :)

Tue Oct 09 2012 3:48AM Report
Andrus73 writes:

"PC gamers with keyboard and mice walk all over console gamers ability apart from that very top .5%"


This comment really doesn't hold water with Dust as you can play it on the PS3 with a keyboard and mouse.

Tue Oct 09 2012 8:18AM Report
Nddesh writes: There's another problem, with the graphic updates Eve had. Many of their subscribers were forced to upgrade their PCs. Now they have to buy a PS3 if they don't have one? At the end of the day, Dust will only have a few groups of people who actually carry on objectives while the majority will only be there to kill stuff. Tue Oct 09 2012 9:17AM Report
dotdotdash writes: @Nddesh: in the same way Eve only has a few people there to complete the stated and implied objectives, where most people just want to fly space ships. Wed Oct 10 2012 12:32AM Report
SuperXero89 writes: This entire article is just a big whinefest over the fact that the writer can't play Dust on his PC. Wed Oct 10 2012 1:17AM Report
Grimula writes:

i actually forgot about trying my mouse and keyboard for PS3 FPS games


does it work good with a USB keyboard and mouse ?

ill have to try it out tommorow.....i feel dumb i forgot to try this all these years

Wed Oct 10 2012 2:28AM Report
Rilman writes:

Totally agree, I hardly ever touch the consoles in our house, to me they're kids toys. A quick go on guitar hero or a racing game and thats about it, perhaps Teken when i was younger....

At the end of the day, as the father of our house,I buy the consoles, the games, the internet connection and the computers, I would have thought my demographic is more likely to pay for and play a game like Eve, or of even heard of it come to think of it, as I'm a PC user.

Do the majority of console users even know of Eve exists? as a sales strategy thats just dire, surely you'd try to expand your existing customers, not just isolate them by creating another wing of what they already may play, to not even being able to play it without possibly a new a new hardware purchase, I really don't understand he thinking behind this move.

I'm never going to play a FPS on a console, its beyond terrible to play one without a mouse, pretty bad decision imo and lots of fail coming up I feel.

Wed Oct 10 2012 6:04AM Report
lotaparty writes: the developers wanted to add dust to eve online .it was the community that didnot wanted it .get your facts right .thats why ceo of ccp apologized in an open letter Wed Oct 10 2012 6:31AM Report
Andrus73 writes: Yes I find the play to be much easier with a keyboard/mouse. Wed Oct 10 2012 12:44PM Report
hfztt writes:

I love these whines.

Get a PS3 or get over it. This game was not made for EvE players.

Thu Oct 11 2012 1:08AM Report
vonryan123 writes:

Few things. Yes I can see it fail. But I can also see CCP putting it to PC. Why?.....

It's console+FPS we all know once the new Big names come out they will drop Dust like a bad habbit I have seen it 100 times. Dust was a great idea very badly put to market. As for the PS3 issue, Thank Microfail they would not allow CCP to have there own servers they wanted CCP to use MS/Xbox server's and the game's MAIN concept would be null and void if they did that.

Moving on going to kill that Chimera I just found.

Fri Oct 12 2012 8:39AM Report
Thanosxp writes: @lotaparty: Is that real? Do u have a link or something about it? I always thought the community wanted it bad, but CCP refused to listen Fri Oct 12 2012 9:15AM Report
MadnessRealm writes:

Dust 514 for the PS3 only is indeed a bad decision. Not only that, but EVE and Dust are linked (they showed a dust player requesting an orbital strike that was sent down from space by an EVE player during a show earlier this year I think). But the reality are EVE players going to communicate with Dust players when they use completely different platforms? It's a silly idea and make one of the greatest feature from Dust absolutely useless.

Dust 514 should've been a PC title, not a PS3 title.

Fri Oct 12 2012 1:43PM Report
Deddmeat writes:

Enough people are playing it in the beta, it's simple to find it in the Playstation Store.


I'm sure EVE players read the EVE site so will see this


On just the console there is no problem wondering if pc or ps3 are going to have a hissy fit regarding updates .. just to the one it's easier to work around.

Sure a console user can use a keyboard and mouse but i'm guessing the majority don't want to.


I will admit though that from a forum i saw a few days ago some players seem to be elitist a-holes.  They see it as the game should be made for them, the ones who play all the time in units and the casuals ... meh 


Now i'm useless at FPS but I play my part by manning a turret and doing my best to blow their ship to smithereens.

Funnily the elitist lot go on about tactical play but i never find anyone in a turret trying to get a victory quicker by reducing their ships shields/armour lol


Another reason for console is that they want the people playing EVE to stay playing EVE .. so they then appeal those on the ps3, that would include quite a few EVE players not on sub who can now take part in the universe they enjoy once again.

Sat Oct 13 2012 11:13AM Report
Hodo writes:

I think all this hate is misguided and mildly retarded.


CCP made a good choice, working on ONE system that has very defined code requirements and system specs.   No need to post minimum specs.   I like it, the PS3 was missing FPS online game that competes with the HALO franchise. 

Mon Oct 15 2012 10:05AM Report
Dalmont writes:

Oh dear, someone hasn't 1) got EVE and 2) got DUST.

Mon Oct 15 2012 4:20PM Report
Kuinn writes:

I dont get these "Get PS3 and stop whining"-statements. I personally already have PS3 and I wont play DUST because it's not on PC.


As long as I cant use any keyboard and mouse of my choosing on consoles, I wont touch any shooter or RTS-game on consoles.


It's actually quite hilarious how low support for various control mechanics a machine can have that is actually designed just for entertainment and gaming use.

Sun Nov 04 2012 3:34AM Report writes:
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