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Kindness

Posted by BillMurphy Tuesday February 8 2011 at 7:35PM
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I got run off the road on my way home today.  I was in the left lane on a semi-busy street, just minding my own business when a white Isuzu Rodeo in the right lane (and slightly ahead of me) decided he was going to turn left across both lanes and down a side-street.  I probably should have let the guy hit me, but my reflex was to try and avoid him so I turned the wheel hard to the left and slid in front of his car up over the curb and three feet of ice and snow... narrowly missing power lines and a phone pole. 

The Isuzu Rodeo barely paused and drove on down the side street while I got out of my car to assess the damage to my front end.  This is not an example of kindness.

Now I'm fine, and the damage to the car is nothing my deductible can't cover.  But the way in which the person driving the Rodeo just drove on by, slowly enough and gazing at my getting out of my car to know that he'd caused the accident just made me a wee bit angry.  And though there were dozens of onlookers, no one even checked to see if I was alright or if I needed help.  Maybe I'm naive, but that just seems like something one should do automatically.

So I'm asking you all, in both real life and in our virtual lives... be kind to people.  Even if you're not at fault for an accident.  Be kind.  If you see someone in need of assistance on the side of a road, check if they're okay.  If you see someone in your game of choice about to bite the dust during an encounter maybe lend a hand. 

Sure it doesn't always pay dividends for you, but kindness goes a lot further than you might think. 

Stormsender writes:

You were run off the road by a carless driver who only cared about himself, I see this type of thing every time I get in my car. When I was younger people did use to care, not any more.  Be careful things have changed, the value of life has changed, everyone is in a hurry. I would have liked to think I would have stopped to make sure you were ok, and I think I would have. Very sorry about your car it's good that you weren't injured, take care.

Wed Feb 09 2011 8:23AM Report
tomwodi writes:

This probably differs from place to place. In my country, at least in my state, people still help each other whenever possible (this is what I have seen lately) and necessary. Now, the Internet things really are quite different. To be honest, I do not expect "courtesy" in online games, if you find some, become friend of this person.

Wed Feb 09 2011 8:32AM Report
rwyan writes:

Just before Halloween I was in an accident.  It was clearly the other drivers fault.  She had been speeding, ran a red light. 

 

When she got out of the car, she was very apologetic.  Her grandfather who had shown up after the accident was also very apologetic.  I had a police report that said she was cited for running a red light, driving a vehicle with expired tags and not having her license.  However, for some reason or another, when I called her insurance to file a claim, I was treated like I was the guilty party.  The claim's agent was extremely rude, condensending, and extremely unhelpful. 

 

While its unfortunate that you had to experience that, it doesn't surprise me these days.  People do all sorts of incredibly selfish things that results in all sorts of problems.

Wed Feb 09 2011 8:45AM Report
HappyFunBall writes:

I completely agree with what Stormsender wrote above.  I don't *want* to agree, but what he/she said is accurate.  Also, this behavior, is MUCH worse lately, than I've ever seen it before in my life.

I'm 41, and I've seen so many terrible/crappy things like this in my time, especially from people that pretend to be your friends, no-less, and no, they didn't run me off the road - I'm talking about being mistreated, treated badly without deserving it, etc.

To bring this to the realm of MMO's, social behavior, etc.  I am currently playing LOTRO while waiting for RIft to be released.  In 10+ years of playing MMO's, and I'm talking about a large number of these games, I have NEVER EVER seen so many selfish jackasses gathered together in one place, let alone stupidity, the complete lack of having any sort of "clue", etc.

Kindness plays a big part, but the selfish behavior of the player-base (and I really don't care if "your" experience/your server/your MMO is different, as this doesn't change anything that actually happened to me and I have a knack for noticing this stuff, much more so than other people so flame someone else.

I'm a healer, an RK (dps/healer), which, in LOTRO, are very rare.  Minstrels are the other type of healer, and hardly anyone plays them either.  So, I am constantly asked to heal groups, all the time, and not one of those times has anyone ever asked me if "I" need the quest they are on, need some items, want anything back for healing them, zero - nada - ziltch - nothing.

When I'm soloing, which is mostly what you do in this game, I see players from time to time, and heal them, for no reason, just because I actually "care" about people and I practice what I preach.  Yeah, wtf is wrong with me, right? (that's sarcasm).  I think I got one thank you, out of countless times I've kept people from dying.  If anyone ever buffs me or helps me kill a mob, I *always* thank them, and I don't think I even got a response to that either.

I was in a group yesterday, and this has happened over and over again, but anyway, I wasted a lot of my time getting these people up to where I was, quest-wise, made sure they got all their quest requirements satisfied, kept them all alive, and even offered to be the healer (there was another one for once), and I don't even enjoy healing (I play the RK because of the dps, not to chain heal until my fingers are numb).  I waited for them to catch up to me (waiting while they finished an instance and quests so they would qualify for the same quests I was on), shared my quests with them... and when it was time for them to help me (and themselves), they literally just stopped talking to me (still in group btw), and as soon as they killed what THEY needed for THEIR quests (I have the SAME quests, and they KNOW this, because I just shared them 5 mins prior!!!).. they RAN away to immediately turn in THEIR quests.  OMFG.

I cannot even explain how mind-blowing this was.  Again, I've never seen this behavior, so rampant, so over-the-top selfish, thoughtless, etc, the VAST MAJORITY of the time, all in one game.  I've seen this before, of course, but it was always the exception, not the rule.  In LOTRO, for some reason I cannot understand - I blame the F2P morons, because they are a selfish lot of players in general - sorry, it's TRUE (most of them think they DESERVE 100% free games to play), it's the case MOST of the time instead of being a rare event.

As soon as they stopped talking to me (they still talked to eachother, which I could still see, morons!, they just pretended I wasn't there, especially after all I did for them!), they just ran away while I was STILL fighting the quests mobs we all needed, and they already killed them because they go to the quest location before I did.  Literally just ran away while I was in battle.  This happened in most groups I have been in.

I was gonna berate them, but decided if I HAD to do this, what would be the point, as the damage was done, I simply quit the FS/group.  About 5 mins later, they re-invited me without saying a word in a /tell, etc.  So I said pressed the 'decline' button.  They didn't send me one /tell to find out where I "went".  They just went on their merry way.

So, I want to ignore everyone in the game now, look out only for myself, etc, just to get back at these people, but then I would be just like them.  No thanks.  In the same vein, if you are kind when other people are not, you get hurt, let down, dissappointed, non-stop, and this in painful, as well.

I don't beleive there is any winning this battle.  Kindness and compassion are positive traits, yet in today's society, you are HURT if you have and practice these traits.  If you care, especially a lot, get ready to be hurt and let down.  Yeah, that makes sense.  NOT.

We live in a SOCIETY people!  Look it up.

Wed Feb 09 2011 9:11AM Report
Fdzzaigl writes:

Just a couple of weeks ago I seriously had to jump movie-style toward the pavement on the side of the street while a crazy driver blasted over the very spot I was in mere milliseconds ago.

He was driving at least 90km/h in the city centre, if not much more.

And yes, pure kindness is also something not everyone understands in online gaming, while that is the basis of a good community, not which game you came from or what form of play you prefer.

In the recent RIFT beta I had a guy saying to me to piss off and go fuck myself while we were in the open world and I happened to come across a PvP battle they were involved in.

When I simply said "no" he and his group left the rest of us to die against superior odds.

Even the opposite faction was amazed at the asshattery of those nitwits.

Luckily however, there were various kind people as well and I hope to contribute to that myself ingame.

Wed Feb 09 2011 9:47AM Report
jayarte writes:

These posts reflect my own experience.  It makes me feel very, very sad that kindness, politeness and compassion are fast becoming rare qualities.  The trend, obviously, originates in real life and is reflected in mmo's, but like a couple of the posters above, I am often left reeling at the rudeness and aggression that I am met with. 

 

I also buff/heal people if I'm playing a support class, or go out my way to help if someone is overwhelmed by mobs if I'm playing dps.  It is extremely rare now to receive any kind of acknowledgement.  No, I don't do it just for the thanks, but to be acknowledged is a basic human need, I think.

 

It is a subject I try not to dwell upon too much because I can become overwhelmingly depressed at the prevalence of this type of behaviour.  Definitely on the increase compared to when I was a child, or even in my twenties (I'm 54 now).

 

I continue to be myself which involves being kind, caring, and courteous and enjoy bumping into others who are the same way from time to time ^^

Wed Feb 09 2011 10:02AM Report
brycelynn2 writes:
We have actually talked at length about this recently in my college debate class. It got started because this terms topic for our main debate and paper is alternatives to juvenile incarceration. Two of us feel that the heart of the problem with at least American society’s devolvement has more than a lot to do with technology and it's ever increasing departure from face-to-face communication. Granted we can’t just stop there and say that’s the whole problem. There is an overall separation from community. Does anyone really know their neighbors and have close ties to them? Do you know all your child’s friends and their families? Do you have dinner with your colleagues or their families? No one does this stuff anymore. We are all online, texting, e-mailing, gaming, and social networking. I’m not saying these advances are bad. It is how we as a society have allowed them to create this break in our humanity. We are all so disconnected from one another in our attempt to be more connected. Social graces and niceties are things not often practiced in the world of texting and blogging. Parents have relinquished the duties to teach these to their children. There is such a push for everyone to have their ME time. Parents now let the internet raise their children. There is a lot of irony in all of this. Man’s greatest gift is his imagination and ingenuity but in that do we let fall our humanity?
Wed Feb 09 2011 10:47AM Report
Sorrow writes:

Sheesh Im really glad you are ok but thats a horrible story I just can not believe how disconnected everyone has become, maybe the world really is going to end in 2012 maybe God will have finally had enough of man and how we treat each other.

Wed Feb 09 2011 10:54AM Report
The_Grump writes:

It's about building community and doing our small part to help make the world a better place, both in-game and, most especially, in real life. People who can't do this, who refuse to accept that reality is within their control and they can do things about it, who willfully choose to ignore others as evidenced by what you've written...well, the simpliest way to put it is that they are the worst sort of people. Far too often people choose to simply look the other way, to passively let things happen to others under the ruberic of 'it's not my business' and the only way it's going to stop is one person at a time doing their small part. The way we act in real life says something about us but not as powerfully, I think, as the way we act in-game when we act outside the realm of societal rewards and sanctions. Let's all do our part in both areas, eh?

Wed Feb 09 2011 11:01AM Report
thamathar writes:

The world is changing alot, specialy the ppl.

The past of this 20 years, +/-, the ppl now only care about them self's and them selfs only, few ppl are left with some old values, like helping an person in need, and this worrys me.

 

Only time will tell, but i rly hope that the mind of the ppl start to see that they aren't the only ppl on the world, and there are other ppl, and i feel sorry for what have hapen do u.

Wed Feb 09 2011 11:08AM Report
rwyan writes:

When I was in college, I was worked as a bus-boy at a new restraunt.  One night, we were short on servers so I was asked to help take orders at the sushi bar.  The process was simple enough.  Long story short, I messed up pretty badly with one patron.  Messed up her drink order.  Messed up her bill.  Messed up her bill a second time.  The third bill was still missing items and she understandably decided not to correct me (I was later informed by the sushi chef that items were missing from the bill).

 

Sooo.... when I was checking out my ticket stubs with the manager that night, I told him what had happened and started to pull out cash.  He had me put my money away and told me that in the six months we had been open, I had been the only one to offer to pay for my mistake, let alone admit it up front.

Wed Feb 09 2011 11:38AM Report
erictlewis writes:

Sorry that you got run out of the road, did you get the other drivers tag,  it is ileagal in most states to leave the sean of acident. It is still considdered hit and run. 

About 2 years back while driving down the county road i live on, we were inbehind a drunk driver.  I had already called the police and had reported this guy,  he was riding in the middle of the road.  Sure enough on one of the bad curves another car came around, he missed the guy we were in benind but had to eat a phone pole to miss him.  The drunk did not stop.  My wife got out and stayed with the person who had just wrecked.  I followed the individual who caused the wreck to a local drinking spot 5.4 miles down the road and effected a citizens arrest on him inside the bar. 

Turns out this guy had caused almost 25 accidents in the past 5 years, has a suspended licence and was driving a work truck from where he worked.

I have to go testify next week about the hole thing. 

To bad other folks don't have a sense of right or wrong nowdays.

Wed Feb 09 2011 11:42AM Report
kn0ckkn0ck writes:

Since I live in a major city I have been in several situations where something like this happens but I think a logical reaction is to try to avoid the accident.

About three weeks ago I was driving home really late on a weekend and waited for the green as it turned green I started to go thru and some guy on the right came flying down the street and did a right turn just barely missing me.

He then proceeded drunkenly to the next light in front of me swerving from side to side and at the next light he was almost in the middle of the street at the red, cops even drove past didn't do nothin :/

Wed Feb 09 2011 12:14PM Report
GraceSelah writes:

Yes, the world may be  changing for the worse, but if we heed Mr. Murphy's suggestion we can turn that around.

Thanks for the post.  I will do my best to abide.

Wed Feb 09 2011 12:28PM Report
Mykell writes:

I'd say a lot of people have never known any form of hardship. They've never really had to rely on others to get by. They don't have to befriend a farmer or plant crops themselves to get food they can just buy it online and get it home delievered. If you can imagine it nowadays you can find someone willing to sell it to you and all they care about is whether you have the money.

Once upon a time life was a struggle to survive, now its a struggle to find enough hours in a day to do everything thats possible in the modern world. We live in a consumer/disposable society where cash is king and celebrities are gods. Where ever we turn nowadays all we see is misery and depression. If you turn on the news you'd be forgiven for thinking the apocalypse had already started. Yet there is still hope.

Tragedy still brings people the best out of some people. There were the worst floods in living memory in Australia recently with thousands of people affected. Afterwards so many people turned up and volunteered to help they had to turn some away. Strangers just got in and helped those affected and it was quite remarkable actually.

This leads me to believe we need some alien force to attack the earth just so we stop fighting each other and band together to fight them. (i'm only half joking)

Wed Feb 09 2011 2:05PM Report
Lickitung writes:

It's like I try saying:  Show some kindness and eventually, it'll become contagious.   It took a long time for Apathy to catch on, let's work to get things back where they were.  All of these posts I've shared experience in similar situations.  In the Rift beta, a person had a team that joined the rift event, opened his team for raid and after the rift was gone, said "gg guys, now get the F**K off my team".  So much rudeness and selfishness because people think that internet anonymity gives them nothing to fear and they believe that people won't reciprocate, so why bother?  This is key.   If someone shows you kindess, show it in return by just saying thank you, as a start.  Stop being a mouthy troll would help.  Stop being hellbent on vengeance (I'm gonna troll that troll!) would help as well (Do not feed the trolls).

 

Bill, glad you're not hurt and glad your insurance could cover it, tho sorry that your premieum is likely to go up because of it.

Wed Feb 09 2011 2:07PM Report
cassiopaeia writes:

I'm someone that's seen both sides of this issue.  I have high-function Autism, so I have seen a lot of nastiness, discrimination, abuse and cold-hearted folks.  BTW, that's both RL and in game.  It even got to the point I thought that kindness was dead, even though I would do stuff like give items and equipment to whoever needed them, for FREE (They'd think I was a RMTer or a scammer), or if someone was outnumbered by mobs I'd go and help them ("Hey bitch, quit KSing me").  I'd even ask for help on some games with stuff like the basics, or help with a boss (absolute silence or a "Fuck off"). 

For quite a while after that, I played on the MMOGs as a complete loner.  That changed when on a F2P called Flyff (and then on Perfect World International), someone wanted to kick me out of a group because his friend had showed up.  I told him, "Don't worry about me, I'm quite used to playing alone."  He asked me what I meant by it, so I explained that I had been forced to learn how to play games and do quests completely alone because, to my mind at that time, kindness was dead and gone.  I also repeated to not worry about me and have fun.  Funny thing was, he kicked someone ELSE out of the group and told me, "You're not playing all alone anymore."  Later, I even joined his guild.

When I played PWI, I was helping folks out when they needed it, but as far as me asking for help on quests, forget it.  I knew I'd never get any help.  That got changed too, of course, when I joined a good faction.

Now, I play on Aion, and not only am I helping with quests when I can, I'm even giving stuff away to folks that need it whenever I can, just like I used to.  Sure, I still get nasty comments and accusations, but more often I get things like "Thanks! :-)"

Wed Feb 09 2011 2:26PM Report
maplestone writes:

It's a complicated world and most people are afraid of being unwelcome when getting tangled up in a situation they don't fully understand.

I sometimes worry that MMOs are bad training for dealing with people in distress as there are rather high percentage of situations where random help is unwanted or where pleas are bait for a trap/scam.

Wed Feb 09 2011 3:13PM Report
Wraithone writes:

Bill... One should ALWAYS be driving with the assumption that those around one are IDIOTS, and are likely to pull the most bone headed stunts possible,  That attitude(defensive driving) has literally saved my life several times over the decades.  It has also kept me out of any number of fender benders.  I totally agree that people should be more thoughtful, and take responsibility for their actions... But in todays world, thats a vain hope at best.

Wed Feb 09 2011 3:18PM Report
Khazalin writes:

I have played LOTRO since closed beta, so I have a great deal of time invested in this game. I must say that my experience has been mostly the opposite of HappyFunBall's. To be sure, I have run in to a few people who were completely without a shred of ethics or decency, but by in large the LOTRO community has been extremely supportive, particularly of new players who are traditionally the target of a lot of the bad behavior we are all appalled by. It may be, as HappyFunBall suggests, that the F2P folks have injected an unsavory element into the game (which was a real concern of mine when the game shifted to F2P), but the community has been so strong since launch that I have to believe that the mature, ethical, genuinely kind folks, which I believe the majority of the LOTRO community to be, will make it unpleasant enough for those idiots that they will simply leave.

That being said, I have not played my mini or RK as frequently as the other classes, but I have been doing so more lately. I do think the healing classes are, ironically, more open to that negative behavior and I could see how Happy's experience with the RK could have unfolded the way it did. It does not in anyway justify the negative behavior, but i can see how/why it happens. I think as one goes along though, you become more adept more quickly at sniffing out a player or a group that is only interested in using you and tossing you aside when they are done. For example, I don't accept group invites from anyone who does not first send me a tell and ASKS me politely if I am interested in helping out. One can tell a great deal from the way a player asks for help or if they ask at all. It seems to me that this same skill translates to the real world where I avoid people who don't know me from Adam but are pushy and demanding about my helping them. As a teacher, I see it in some of my students and always associate it with one who is either exceptionally immature, narcisstic or both.

Anyway, I again reiterate my faith in the LOTRO community. In the four years I have been playing, I have seen more good will than ill will and more maturity than immaturity. I hope that never changes about a game I love.

Wed Feb 09 2011 3:33PM Report
Lisje writes:

This discussion seems to be in line with probably my current largest RL 'pet peeve'.

PLEASE drivers - signal where you are planning on putting that multi-ton vehicle you are operating!

I am currently on disability, and am mostly limited to pedestrian or on rare occassions, a wide-tired bicycle for transport.  (Anyone who tells you federal disability insurance is adequate is lying - I'd advise buy additional, and my 10-yr-old car was one of the 1st 'luxuries' to go)

Trust me - its not only other motorists that need to know where you are planning on putting that huge chunk of mobile metal.  I am frequently honked at by people making right turns with no signal, alternately I miss road-crossing opporunities, because drivers don't bother to signal if there is no other powered vehicle nearby.

Robert A Heinlein is his novel "Friday" postulated that a lack of common courtesy was the first sign of a declining civilization.  We seem to be near the fulcum on that see-saw currently.  Lets all try to shift our weight the right direction!

Wed Feb 09 2011 4:32PM Report
Cannyone writes:

 I believe, with an absolute sense of conviction that may only come from my own set of life experiences, Kindness is its Own Reward.  I don't require any acknowledgement of any type.  I practice it at every opportunity, both in real life and when playing an MMORPG.

At the same time I have to admit that I'm more than slightly put off sometimes by the rudeness of others.  I just try not to internalize it.  And I go on looking for the next opportunity to arrise where I can enjoy being kind. 

Now this may not apply to your situation with the Isuzu guy... But in some cases I might hold back just a bit.  See if I'm imposing my perceptions on someone else, then I'm not really being "kind".  I'm persuing a form of "self promotion".  And most people resent that type of thing.

But in Your situation I would have at least stopped and made sure you had a cell phone handy.  If for no other reason than that I'd hope someone might do the same for me some day.

Wed Feb 09 2011 5:06PM Report
UnsungToo writes:

Glad yer ok. Yeah be kind because you wanna be kind, not because you might get something from it.

Wed Feb 09 2011 6:39PM Report
TUX426 writes:

You didn't have an mmorpg bumper sticker did you? :P

Kidding - I'm glad you're safe. :)

Wed Feb 09 2011 7:47PM Report
andy4c writes:

I like to play buffing characters, and like to randomly find others who could use it. I do it because I want to, and it doesn't matter if they thank me. That's not why I do it, for the recognition.

Also I am a more casual player, and when I am in lower levels I still muddle around trying to figure things out by trying them (instead of all the studying I did when I played WoW). So every once in a while I will see an icon floating and will mouse over and see that I have a buff, and think, "Oh. That must have been one of those sounds that happened and I didn't know why. Someone buffed me!"

So if you buffed a hapless lower level toon and they ignored you, maybe they are normally polite but just didn't have the awareness to notice what happened. :)

I like to find the emotes for "wave" and "thank you" early on and put them in an action bar -- then at least I can make awkward kind gestures if I'm too distracted by my activity to think of what chat channel to use, etc.

Wed Feb 09 2011 8:49PM Report
Dwarvish writes:

  Glad you are ok Bill. Unfortunatly to many people just don't care.

 

   As some have mentioned, there wasn't such a total lack of regard not to many years back. I blame most of it on the education system and a little on the new type of Hollywood heros who are Bast%#rds but fight on the side of the law.....huh?.

 

  When gaming I solo as much as possible to avoid the to  many  nyerks that seem to populate many, if not all....no...all of the MMOs today.

  Muds were a peek into society for me. This was what people were realy like when they though they could get away with things. Its gotten worse over the last 5-10 years. Alot worse as anyone who has been involved with a few pugs can verify.

 There are also some realy good folks out there. They aren't as common as one might hope though.

Wed Feb 09 2011 10:59PM Report
Nesrie writes:

I am glad you are okay too. I was rear ended a couple of weeks ago, and not a single car stopped to to see if we were okay or to be witnesses. Having said that, in a virtual world, I've found that kindness and trusting just gets you screwed in the end.  I'll lend a helping hand when I can, but it will be a cold day in hell before i trust anyone connected to the industry or expect to be treated well by unknown gamers.

Wed Feb 09 2011 11:58PM Report
shava writes:

Glad  you're ok.  Honestly, I hope the other driver is haunted by the whole thing and it changes his/her behavior in the future -- maybe your misfortune will indirectly save some damage in the future.

Better to do the right thing in the first place, but I have this irrational belief that sometimes doing stupid things makes people learn...:)

Thu Feb 10 2011 5:47AM Report
Gankalicious writes:

Be kind from the staff, and this from the guest:

 

"The unbelievable rage that was building in side of me had to find some kind of outlet or I was going to actually kill someone.  Then, like some kind of divine inspiration it occurred to me: instead of beating up an actual person in real life, I can beat up an actual person in an MMO!  The only problem with that is I would probably become one of those a-holes that I despise, spewing my hate unto the internets.

 I would like to tell you I took the high road and I wasn’t a total dick to random strangers in PvP, but I cannot.  It was either my sanity and my family or my integrity. I hardly have any integrity left anyway so I said screw it and let lose the venom that was blackening my soul. There were so many horrendous crimes against humanity crawling out of my face hole that my wife had to take my child out of the room for fear that he might become possessed by the devil himself.

I did take precautions however; I used my alt in DCUO so I could vent my frustrations with out completely tarnishing my good name. I also chose DCUO because it’s easy to just jump into some Legends PvP. Plus, the game supports voice chat so I can scream swears at people without having to know them. Granted most of those people were on my own team…

I’m not going to lie to you kind folks, it felt damn good. Screw laughter as being the best medicine, PvP is where it’s at.  Beating the crap out of people in PvP was the best stress relief. After about an hour or so I felt fine. The anger that I accumulated was all gone. PVP had exercised my demons.

Let my story be a lesson to all of you. Take out your frustrations in PvP and don’t hold anything back you’ll feel better after words."

 

 

Nice. And we wonder why the game community is going to shit.

Thu Feb 10 2011 7:55AM Report
joeballs writes:

I think we need another plague.

Mon Feb 14 2011 5:24PM Report
terrant writes: My first MMO love was EQ. Huge open world it took hours to explore, nothing mapped out, nothing sure, no sites walking you quests. No real factions, the ability to work towards being accepted by almost any group if you had the patience and the will...scray moments like your first trip through Kithicor at night as a low level...No MMO has done any of that since. None have felt that amazing. Sadly, there was a lot of negative too... Fri Mar 04 2011 2:02PM Report

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