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Teala's Wickedly Cool Blog For The Masses

Just my thoughts on MMO's, roleplaying, game companies, and the people that play these games.

Author: Teala

Fanboys Not Allowed! That should be all gamers rallying cry!

Posted by Teala Tuesday December 27 2011 at 1:33PM
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Wow...I love when a new MMO releases.   Gives me lots of material for my blog!  Thank you SW:TOR and BIOWARE!  You're my new muse!  

I think I have covered this topic before, let me check...on second thought...let's just do this, again, even if I have covered it before - what the hell - MMO's use this model all the time!  Woohoo! 

I am going to catch a ton of flak for this, then again, that's OK...makes me tough!  Rawwwwwrrrr!  Plus I have a good flak jacket and goggles for all the incoming poo being slung my way.   So let's lock and load this puppy!


The biggest problem with the gaming industry today is >>>> FANBOYS / FANGRLS

Saying it here and now, possibly again, for the bazillionth time, because in these types of peoples minds, and in their eyes, their precious game is perfect.    They refuse to see even the biggest flaws in a game, and discount anything anyone else says, lashing out at anyone saying anything remotely critical of their game.   Whether the person is being honest in their opinion or not, and has a legitimate complaint, issue, or criticism of a game - to the zealot fan it doesn't matter - "YOU ARE A HATER! YOU ARE A TROLL!"

It's OK to really like, or even love a game, but to deny that a game has any shortcomings, or maybe flawed, or not so polished, and finished, is, to the zealot fan of a game, an immediate call to retaliate and do whatever they can to shout down a games critic.  Even if the critic is right, the fan will deny, make excuses, or spin what the critic says in order to make that persons point of view disenginious or just outright false.  

Seen it, been there, and yes, go to any gaming forum and you will see this.   Even on's forum this is practiced and widely used by over zealot fans.

I say this is bad on the gaming industry because, IN MY OPINION, when fans of these games refuse to acknowledge a games flaws, issues and shortcomings, and proclaim a game to be perfect, that is sending the wrong message to the people that design and make these games.   

It really bunches up my knickers(yes that is a word - google it), when people, players, gamers, whatever, refuse to acknowledge that something is not "PERFECT!"   What can I say...the Universe is not a perfect place.   It isn't.   In fact it is because the Universe is not perfect that we even exist! 

When you proclaim a game perfect, you are sending a message to the game designers that their game is perfect, and there is no incentive and no reason for them to fix, or try harder to fix an existing game, or to deliver better games.    I am sorry...I love Skyrim...I love Mount and Blade:Warband, and even I(two games I am a huge fan of BTW(huge doesn't even start to cover how much I love these two games)), can see these games shortcomings, and point out the flaws, and issues these games have.    Go read my reviews of those two games.   I can love the game, but I am not going to proclaim them perfect, and discount the problems with the game.

Not just no, I am not going to do that - but, hell no, I am not going to do that!

I am going to call the developers out on their mistakes and point out the flaws of their game so that they can make the game better.    I want a better game, so that it enhances my over all enjoyment playing it. 

Second reason this is bad on the gaming industry.

When the zealot fans start their hype and proclomations that X game is perfect that sends a signal to other gamers, that, the game is perfect.   Then when Jack and Jill gamer buy the game and see that the game is not perfect...guess what?   Jack and Jill gamer are like, WTF!  Why didn't anyone tell me this game was like this?  Why can't  I do this?  Where is this feature in the game?  Why doesn't this game allow me to do this when it is a basic game element of games like this?

Jack and Jill then come to message boards or go to the official message boards and start complaining.  They ask how come this game is like is not perfect...why were we not told that this game is missing even this basic feature we've come to expect in our games?

Well Jack and Jill gamer, someone did try to tell you, but we were shouted down by the fanboys and fangirls of this game, and you were told that the game was perfect - remember?   

Then the next step of Jack and Jill gamer is to go to their friends, and gaming forums, and you know what they do?  They tell friends, people on forums...don't play X game.  It is not perfect.   It is a bad game.   Next thing you X is on everyones "this game sucks" list and the game then becomes unpopular.  And instead of seeing lots of constructive criticism all we will see or hear is, "THIS GAME SUCKS!"

For MMO's this can mean one thing - it means less subscribers.   It means ghost town like servers with less people to play with because lots of people left the game.  It also means the game company producing it has less money coming in to keep developing their game.   Then the game company has to make a choice.  Either they stop development or slow it down and new content and bug fixes are slower coming in, or the game goes free-2-play, or they just shut the game down all together.  

Is that really what we gamers want?  Do we really want to see more and more of these games launched half-baked only to see them either get shutdown or go free-2-play and stop growing?  Especially AAA title games?  Guild Wars/NCSoft is excused from this model since some how they defy all other game companies and allow people to play for free.   I dunno how they manage to do this and keep putting out content, but they do.  ::shrugs::  It'll be intersting to see how their no subscription fee will work on GW2, since it will be a full-fledge MMO.  

Anyways...that is for another topic, but the fact remains, AAA MMO's live and die by subscriptions.    Not all, but most do. 

What else does it do to the game industry when fanboi's and fangrls scream that X game is perfect!  It stagnates the genre.   Tell me, what innovation have you really seen in the Call of Duty games, or the Battlefield games series?   Yeah..not much have you.   Basically re-skinned, some new destroyable game world pieces, new map, but all in all what has really changed?   Not much.  COD still has the same boring arse small maps.  BF3 added a couple of new tweaks and destructable assets in game, but over all...meh, the game is just the same thing - but looks prettier.  

So, will we ever see Battefield 4: LET'S GET MEDIEVAL!   How about a co-op conquest game for Battlefield series based on medieval warfare of Europe where players can battle it our for England, France, Italy- the Holy Lands - using medieval weapons and settings?  Doubtful.   Because all we've been getting from these two companies over the past few years is the same game - just re-hashed - over and over again.   Anyone want to see something new!  Something innovative?

Never going to happen if the zealot fans of these games don't stop and say...hey, "Can we please have something different.  Your game is getting old...we've been there and done this all ready.   How about something different for a change?"

We as gamers owe it to ourselves to me very vigilant and watchful of people like this.   Because it is these people that are not helping anyone or any game.    In fact these are the very people that are hurting the games industry more than anything else.    I am telling you here and now, it is OK to be critical of a game.  Even if a game is good...::cough:: Skyrim ::cough::, doesn't mean we cannot point out its issues and flaws, "Bethesda really screwed up with the console to PC port of this game - WTF were you thinking Bethesda?!" - see, the world did not implode.   Praise it for its good, but have the nerve to also bring up the things that are wrong with it.    We as gamers owe it to ourselves to be critical of game companies...because if we do not hold these game designers and publishers butts to the fire...guess what, we get what we deserve.


Special Note:

Bashing a game is when someone says nothing critical about a game, they just say things like, 'this game sucks', or 'this is the worst game ever'.  That is a troll, that is someone bashing a game.

Being critical of a game is when someone says something about an element or feature of a game, for instance, 'UI is not customizable', 'character creation is not up to par', or 'game is very linear in its game play'.   Those are critical statements.

Constructive criticism, is when someone says, "the UI in the game is not adjustable, Bioware should allow players to resize and move around the UI.' or 'There is no target of target in game, this is something Bioware needs to put in especially for healing classes.'

garry writes:

To the founders of the "Fanboys Not Allowed Fan Club". I thought your logic was impeccable so I decided to expand the concept. Announcing a new "Blogs/Bloggers Not Allowed Fan Club". Fitting don't you think? Whats good for the goose...


Fanboys/Fangirls make up the largest group of actual players and payers in the gaming world so banning them might not be in the best interest of games or companies making games.


Also since I am an SWTOR fanboy (as you term it) I guess my post holds no merit - for you. Besides, what fun would you have in Forum PVP without us?

Tue Dec 27 2011 3:57PM Report
MadnessRealm writes:

@garry, I'd like to see your stats on "Fanboys/Fangirls" making up the largest group of actual players in a game. Because here the term "Fanboy" was defined as people who will deny all flaws and object to all criticism. I highly doubt those people actually form the majority of players.

Afterall, you don't need to be a fanboi to enjoy a game. You can enjoy the game just as much as anyone else, doesn't mean that you HAVE to deny all flaws (and most do not in fact deny the shortcomings of their favorite games, but that has never stopped them from enjoying it).


*When I say you in the last paragraph, I'm referring to people in general, and not "You" as in garry.

Tue Dec 27 2011 6:45PM Report
karmath writes:

Gotta love people admiting their a cancer.

Great post Teala. It sums up what people that have been in the MMO scene for a few years or longer think. Thats why it's the same old flame war with the same old clone game.

Fanboi's go nuts and praise the game to he high heavens and it sells millions of units, then the exodus begins of those who were misinformed or bought into the hype. Then it starts again with the same old flame war and the same old clone but WAIT! We get VO this time, woo!

Wed Dec 28 2011 6:31AM Report
Thorqemada writes:

When i think back and remeber SWG i dont think that Fanboi-/Fangirlism had anything to do with the raducal changes to the game and therefore its not about ingame-fans that make the business stagnate.

Its simply WOW and its success that made mmos stagnate and educated a majority of mmo players how a mmo has to look like and make them shake heads about old school mmoers that know better.

Skyrim and Minecraft have shown the market for virtual world gaming and sandboxing is millions of players that have in majority no mmo-title to play and offer a huge market niche with only low quality competition.

Wed Dec 28 2011 7:03AM Report
jeddak writes:

Reading comments about games always seems to be a gripe-fest and anyone that likes anything will be attacked relentlessly by the rest who seem to need to fit in at any cost. Negativity seems to be the only truths allowed. Gamers have become the most conformist folks in what used to be segment of population greatly populated by folks who played their way and honestly professed their thoughts (without having to note: this is just my opinon) and all too many flit from game to game looking for the masses (no matter how good or bad a game is) so they can be part of the party. If it was up to me I'd halt all games in progress and in development just to hear the lamentation of the 'women'-aka the average gamers without their game to 'pacify' them.

Wed Dec 28 2011 9:33PM Report
wizyy writes:

Heard of this rumor?

Thu Dec 29 2011 11:07AM Report
Chivalry1978 writes:

fan boys will always exist, no matter what. What is really sad is it has now become a trend amongst the fan boys and girls to go and attack other games.

Tor has flaws we all know this, but it will get better all games do, However wow and gw2 fan boys have been flaming night and day on this game and most admit they never played the game..I played in beta and thats it, not cause I didnt like it, but because I have other expenses, and games Im playing more, but to see such attacks and then checking where else they post and see " geek spunk" over gw2 pics just saddens me cause its all rather lame....Watching them flame out more when you point it out, well thats just funny.

Fri Dec 30 2011 9:36AM Report
Meltdown writes:

The internet is full of hyperbole and unsubstantiated claims (like this one). I would also say that the "internet community" as a whole is more negative than positive (look another). It is sometimes more difficult to be positive about a gaming experience on forums than to be negative. I feel this sort of sets up the troll vs fan-person-ism that you mention, where the quiet minority feels threatened by the louder majority and hyperboles run rampant. After a while even criticism/praise is responded to with more hyperbole... oh interwebs what are we to do with you

Fri Dec 30 2011 1:19PM Report
BerrySakura writes:

Denying shortcomings of a game isn't what makes gamers proclaim perfection. Its the way we play that allows us to call something perfect.

Sat Dec 31 2011 10:22AM Report
hayes303 writes:

I think its a lot like sports teams. Most fans know the shortcomings of the games, but rarely are they put forward in the respectfull manner you say they do. There are rabid fans, but most times they are met with a equal number of irrational haters who willingly spend their free time combing the interwebs, looking for things to say, "AH HA! I knew this game was pure fail".

Valid criticism of this game specifically has been drown out with the rabid trolling and elitist smugness of the gamers that hate it in a visceral way far more that it has been drown by fanbois.

Sat Dec 31 2011 11:10AM Report
Nlite writes:

Imagine if we could harness this wellspring of fanatical hatred, we could form an elite army and take over the world! Oh wait that sounds like the dark side of the force...I too used to be an adventurerer until I got hit by an arrow in the knee....

Sun Jan 01 2012 1:08PM Report
teakbois writes:

I think the bigger problem, and one that has exploded with SWTOR, is the people that post negative talking points with an agenda not to critique the game, but to cause negativity towards the game.  This in turn brings out the fanboys.


I think the number of 'blind fanboys' for SWTOR isnt as great as people say it is.  Most people that like it seem to acknowledge the issues.


Then there are the people that think anyone who says anything positive about the game is being paid off by Bioware.  There are people that cant accept the game does an awful lot of things well that the positives far outweigh the negatives by a large margin for a very large segment of people.


I think the game is the best themepark released since EQ2/Vanilla WoW.  But, like LOTRO and Rift before it, it has some major issues.  In fact, it shares many of the same issues that Rift had.  I wouldnt give it any higher than a 7.5.  Its not a regression of the genre, its just more stagnation.  At least it didnt repeat Rift's cardinal sin of making it all about the destination and not the journey.

Sun Jan 01 2012 8:24PM Report
teakbois writes:

I will give this example to support Teala's argument though:  Fanboy's within the games communities can indeed be very bad.  Outside, like this site, its not quite as bad because they are just fighting with the trolls, but within a game...


A prime example is whats going on in Rift now.  For those who dont know, the game has seen a steady and noticeable decline in activity since basically april.  Obviously decemeber its worse, with the holidays and partially due to SWTOR.


A *very* vocal part of rift's community says 'its no big deal, people arent playing because of the holidays and the people that try swtor will all come back when they try it.  there are two major things here:

1.  Yes, its the holidays...but what about the people that left over the other 9 months?  When will they be coming back?

2.  If people don;t like SWTOR why will they go back to Rift as opposed to wait for GW2/TSW or try a different game?


Its blind optimism and its akin to an ostrich sticking its head in the sand.  They would be much better accepting the games flaws and working on how to help Trion address them.  if people banded together and said 'Trion, dont worry about new 10 man raids for a month or two, make your game more immersive so people will come back/stay longer' it would be a huge boon to the overall benefit of the game.


Sun Jan 01 2012 8:46PM Report
lfskyden writes:

While I agree that The Fanboys need to learn some modesty,I do Disagree with the thinking that Going Free-2-Play is a sinking boat of no Updates.


I Play the MMO known as "Sword 2", that is the Name of the USA Servers of Granado Espada, Granado espada Went F2P quite fast on its history, and been like that for more then 3 years, while the USA Servers are slow to update, they keep coming, and while the game has its flaws(the Name of the USA Server is one), I like it enough to keep playing, another thing that hurts games, is the overhype, I havent been able to play Swtor, but Im already tired of hearing 900% of the time about it.


Tue Jan 03 2012 6:21AM Report
Rohn writes:

Extremism and obsession, in any form, is usually a bad thing, whether that's "positive" or "negative".

Unfortunately, the habitual denizens of forums, and even worse, bloggers, believe that such internet spaces are a LOT more important than they are.

Forums, and blogs, are not usually used to discuss, but are instead used as platforms to disingenuously persuade.  There is an enormous difference between the two.

As a result, blogs such as this one are just as "deceitful" as the fanboys being decried here.

Tue Jan 03 2012 6:27PM Report
Zippy writes:

The biggest problem with fanboys are they  allows bad companies to release bad games.  Anyone who beta tested AoC knew the game was terrible and release would be a disaster.  But the fanboys drowned out any discussion and allowed a very bad game to be purchased by many players.

Fanboys hyping bad games anddrowning out discusion allows developers to profit and get away with bad releases like AoC.  They allow companies like SOE and Funcom to exist.  They allow companies to market and sell terrible unfinished products to dumb people.

Fri Jan 27 2012 1:56AM Report
Inshalla writes:

Actually, its people who continually buy games and are not in the slightest bit happy with them that cause developers to continue to develop "bad" games, not the people who genuinely like the game.

If someone really likes something, and they buy it, and they enjoy it, that is called being a good and wise consumer. To that person it doesnt matter at all if theres people like you who dont enjoy said game, they are happy with it and have made a wise purchase decision.

Which brings us to you, who apparently only buys these games so you can complain about whats wrong with it. You are the problem for not seeing any progress for what YOU want, because apparently you continue to buy it anyways whilst not being content with your purchase. Fanboys are basically blameless because they are buying something that THEY want. You seem to believe that just because that doesnt mirror what you would want, that they are to blame for you being unhappy. Thats terrible stupid bad logic. If you want something different, wait for it...and buy it, otherwise you're only harming yourself by buying products that appeal to fanboys and not yourself.

Like it or not, your opinion is not the end all be all statement on what is good or bad about video games. Each person opinion is individually valid, this includes people who think there is nothing at all wrong with X game. If a person wishes to buy a game, and can honestly see nothing wrong with it, that opinion is just as valid as yours. For you to take such an issue with their opinion, just shows you are plain and simple a HATER, despite the efforts you go through to proclaim the opposite. Its the elephant in the room kinda deal...

At best the logic that can be extracted from this petty nonsense is that both sides are equally bad, haters and "fanboys". To the trained eye you're not going to win this debate, youll only draw other haters to your banner and the cycle continues. Neither side wins. But in general neutral parties like myself will always tend to side with "fanboys" because they are supporting something that they like, which is a natural and completely understandable human response. What..errmmm you other guys do just doesnt appear to be constructive or logical, and not even the most staunch apologist could swing many opinions your way. Your simply buying games, picking out whats wrong with them, and asking them to be changed after the fact. Since that is being a piss poor consumer I doubt youll get many neutral parties to feel sorry for you, so the fanboy wins.

I hope this has been helpful.

Thu Feb 16 2012 3:48AM Report
Teala writes:

Inshalla you are saying I buy these games.  Last MMO I bought was AoC, then again, we beta testers never got to see the whole game so in order to see the whole game you had to buy it.  What we were allowed to see was good at the time.  I wouldn't have bought it back in the day if I had known, back then, just how bad the game was past level 40. 

As for recently released AAA games I have not bought, Aion, LoTR's, Aion, Warhammer, Rift, nor SWTOR. 

So no...I do not buy bad games just to complain about them as you said in your comment.   

Thu Feb 16 2012 11:54AM Report
Inshalla writes:

Well that is good that you dont buy them, however most people who critique these games do indeed still buy them. And thats why I emphasised the word "buy" so much in my post, because theres a clear distinction to be made there. I personally have not bought TOR because Im well aware of how these things go, I wont go into further details because its not really needed.

I can understand some measure of frustration with gaming companies, but at the end of the day we are powerless outside our vote as a consumer, which still doesnt amount to much, if anything.

But I do fear from reading this and a few other entries that your angst is misguided. Here you blatantly blame "fanboys" for ruining the gaming industry. Honestly that is just misinformed nonsense, and I believe that you know that. Its a way to touch on a few nerves and get responses, I get that, and Im still responding anyways. But I dont believe that is what you believe.

As I said in my initial response they cant be blamed, they are paying for what they want, thats really the only voice that matters. The forum PVP that goes on between the two parties is just extra-ciricular stuff. Its not going to make or break a game, much less the industry. Theres no need to glorify it beyond what it is.

 Good on games like WoW for getting so many subs, Ive never played the game because its not for me, Ive never critiqued the game either, because I understand its good for a lot of people. I would advise you to do the same with TOR, but I doubt that'd do much good.

Thu Feb 16 2012 12:45PM Report
Teala writes:

No, you used the word you, your, and buy more than once in your comment.  You were clearly talking about me.   As for my blaming fanboys, I believe in what I wrote and stand by what I wrote.   Sorry you do not agree with it. 


Thu Feb 16 2012 1:06PM Report
Inshalla writes:

Of course I was talking about you. I never said I wasnt talking about you, Im just not going to argue with you about it. You claim you didnt buy the games and we both have no way of proving it one way or the other so Im dropping the issue, pretty pointless.

Thats ok lol, continue to blame them all you like, its ridiculous and absurd but thats fine, it is a blog afterall theres no rule that it cant be ridiculous or absurd.

As for me Ill continue to blame people who buy the games and then whinge for companies producing stuff that they're not happy with. I think that is fair.

Thu Feb 16 2012 1:13PM Report
Ztony writes:

Good post, but I hate skyrim because the controls bother me so much I ragequit.

Me personally still waiting for that first ever to release mmo balanced pvp game between 2-3 (more?) factions.

Still waiting..

Mon Feb 27 2012 1:44PM Report writes:
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