Failuring

Another crybaby whining about everything wrong in mmo's

Author: Caab

Huh?

Vaporware is software that is advertised but never released.  Huxley is a good example of Vaporware.  Games that have playable demos or are in Beta (War, Conan) are not vaporware.  Games that have been published (Vanguard) are not vaporware.  Don't use words when you don't know what they mean.

In the same breath that you complain about Vanguard being release full of bugs, you complain that Conan's release date is getting pushed back.  You realize that the only reason WoW never had a release date pushed back is that it only made one after it essentially finished Beta?

IPO is an abbreviation for 'Initial Public Offering'.  The term you're looking for here is 'IP' which is short for 'Intellectual Property'.  If you think the value of the Warcraft IP prior to WoW's success is anything close to Star Trek, Dungeons and Dragons or Lord of the Rings, you're delirious.  Even today, I would take any three of those in heartbeat over Warcraft.

What a childish rant.

I agree with rim's comment above.  You complain about game failures from bugs, and then complain that they delay to fix the bugs?  Make up your mind.

You obviously have no understanding of business in general, or of this industry.  Making an MMORPG is one of the most complex tasks that a company can complete.  It's also a lucrative one, if it succeeds, so many companies are kicking off attempts.  This has been going on for a decade now, with at least as many games failing before launch as reach that point.

This is not new.  This is not shocking.

You talk about games like Tabula Rasa failing, and show you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.  A game with 100k players is NOT a failure.  A game with 100k players (no, I don't know the exact numbers for TR) is grossing $18 million a year, and has profits of $6 million or more.  That's huge - those numbers are precisely why new companies are constantly pushing out game attempts.  But people like yourself look at the industry fluke, and figure anyone who can't beat it fails.

Business is not a "#1 or bust" scenario.  If your company profits, you win.  If your company earns $6 million a year, you win a lot.  Now, if your company makes $600 million a year, you win a lot more.  ;)  But I certainly wouldn't sneer at the $6 million, either.  ;)

Three things:

1) QQ moar

2) Get a job hippie

3) "I'm rich beotch!"

The reason real for WoW's success is not the IP but the fact Blizzard took parts from all previous MMORPGs and of their own games, mixed them all together, then DUMBED it down so it would appeal to the masses.

Grimfall put it best. Blogs are for ranting, but if you want to write a public blog at least know wtf you are talking about. You have no idea what Vaporware is and yes, its IP not IPO for what you where talking about.

Alienshirt is right as well. The funny thing is I personally think that now more than ever a company could take a popular MMO and make it for intelligent people and do verry well. I find it almost suprising how many people now are calling for a somewhat tough game. Alot are calling for the end of the games that 10yr olds can play just as well as a seasoned vet.

Excuse me, but I think you really don't know alot about mmorpg's as a genre. Please get your facts straight and don't talk out of your ass.

To give a few examples of where you are clearly wrong :

Release dates getting pushed back is a bad thing : Look at WoW, this is the absolute champion of pushed back release dates, it was in development for at least 5 years and was regularly pushed back . This resulted in the most polished and easy to get into mmorpg to date.

No other mmorpg cloned WoW with success : Check out LOTRO, polished with a good subscriber base, that takes alot of things from previous mmorpg's with success.

I hope we don't see a new Everquest any time soon, but we get new Everquests all the time ( every WoW clone is essentially also an EQ clone ).

And why the hell do you think WAR will be a screwup? This game will be pretty good.

Also, if you want a deep and well polished mmorpg, try out EVE-Online.

Whine whine.

What a fool.

Well, Caab, you've posted a blog, people have responded to it.  Now what do you have to say in response to the criticism you have received?

I tend to agree with just about everything said here.  A game like WAR or AoC is going to have delays.  It's the most common thing in software development; be they games or productivity software. 

If you want to call a game Vaporware, consider a title like Duke Nukem Forever before saying that a game such as WAR or AoC is vaporware or a failure.  How could a game that has over 500,000 beta applications be considered a failure before it is even released?

Point is, Caab, you have stated your opinion.  Now respond to what your respondents have to say to you.  Make us understand that you are not as childish or ignorant as your initial post makes you sound.

Before someone accuses me of flaming or name calling, here is the definition of the word I used to show that it was not used in a derogatory fashion:

ignorant - –adjective

You are wrong therefore i am right , thank you.

Is AoC vaporware??

/sarcasm

Not much more I can add that hasn't been said, Caab obviously has NO CLUE about the MMO industry, and has NO CLUE of what the term 'vapourware' means. 

Here's a hint, it has nothing to do with a game being released and then failing.

Hmm, Not sure its Caab's blog as it's clearly taken from another site if you all read the top line. If he wrote that up on another site and linked to this one...fine flame him. However if its just a link from someone elses blog...you people sound like idiots flaming him.

AOC = Vaporware = no

Game needs alot of work though

notices he doesn't make a reply

Actually, you guys are the ones who have no clue about the vaporwave term, vaporwave is whenever you're promising something you can't/won't do, it's way more wide than "just not releasing".

The article creator used it right, wether you agree with the whole article or not.

Believe it or not one of the reasons of WoW's success is commercials. I seriously do NOT understand why MMO's don't have commercials like WoW. If my mom's family owned store can afford one than a lot of MMO's can. This is the reason you see so many kids and people with inexperience in MMO's. They see the commercial and go on. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a WoW NASCAR car, lol.

Oh no I got flamed.  First off yes I messed up on the ipo ip thing, but I'm pretty sure you nearly understood what I meant.  Next My main reason for using the term vaporware is exageration in order to help bring attention to the point.  If they need another year making the game thats fine by me but don't go around telling me that the game is going to be released in 3 months when in all likelyhood it will not be. 

If your happy telling yourself that AoC being pushed back is a good thing because they are improving the game thats fine.  In my opinion they are pushing it back because they are having major problems with the game that aren't getting fixed.

tough crowd

Caab,

You still failed to address the point that your 'super perfect game' did the exact same thing that you're accusing Age of Conan of doing.

When you come to a site devoted to MMORPG's you need to prove your chops if you want to have your opinion respected.

Not knowing common terminology, and not displaying any knowledge of the history of MMO's doesn't give you much credibility.  Just because you're frustrated that a games release date gets pushed back (which I would say happens to about 85% of games, regardless if their MMO's, multi-player or single player), doesn't give you an excuse to display a total lack of knowledge about MMO development or the AoC game in particular.  Keep in mind, that this is the same game company who has been running a succesful MMO for twice as long as Blizzard and who Blizzard unabashedly stole game elements from.

This is why you do not give 15yr olds a computer and told they are allowed to make a blog after reading the many game definitions and their key terms.

Please, honestly, truly, shut up......AoC is not vaporware. They are simply smarter than people like Smedly and all those other "suits" behind games who believe releasing on time rather than when ready is the best course of action. Best example ever given:

Vanguard: Eternity of Pain and Discourse

I think there may be serious problems with AoC. Several key features seem to be unimplemeted in the beta so far and that's not a good sign at this point. However that doesn't say anything about MMOs in general. It's a tough genre to get right.

Honestly,

Lets compare AoC with WoW.  I may be wrong, but my recollection of WoW external Beta is that he was going on for about 10 months (Jan to Nov) before release.

Now lets compare their beta to AoC:

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/gameId/191/setView/features/loadFeature/1720

Raids

AoC will have 8 raids at launch.  WoW had 0.

City Building

AoC will have this at launch.  WoW doesn't even have player housing.

Seigeing

AoC will have this at launch.  WoW only has Battlegrounds.

When did AoC start external Beta.  Unless it was in July of last year they're scheduled to deliver more features in a shorter time than Blizzard.  So try to compare apples to apples.

SO the constant pushbacks on AoC are a good thing in your opinion?  I would agree if it were 1-2 pushbacks since that does seem fairly common in mmo's.  But AoC just never seems to be getting any closer to being ready for release.  And that bothers me.  If they came out and said they were having issues with the engine and are unsure when they will be able to give a hard release date, I would respect that.

I never said WoW was perfect, I said it was the game with the fewest screw ups and thats why it is winning in the mmo market.

Thanks for finally replying with some real info as opposed to telling me I suck ass at spelling.

I think most people are angry towards you Caab because you did not chose your words correctly. As for the pushback, it just happens. To be honest, AoC set themselves up for this by announcing a hard date. I will be trying out AoC if it comes out considerably earlier than WAR. The push back doesnt affect me at all, and i would not call it vaporware to say the least. And to note, WoW was only polished because of its really long beta time. If in ten months of beta, a company cannot fix its game, then it shouldnt be making games. And lets be honest here, with the amount of money blizzard has, and as long as WoW was in beta. It sure did come out with a very standerd MMO. It had very limited aspects of what most MMO'rs want in a video game, and it took ten months just to polish it. I can only feel for the companys trying to put more into a game. So as for AoC, i say give them time. They trully need it.

"How many times can a game get pushed back before we are forced to give up on that game? If you can't make a deadline then don't lead on people by saying that you can. Everytime any mmo gets pushed back it makes me question the legitimacy of that mmo. It seems like the past year and the coming year are going to be filled with a sea of mmo failures. Whether it be the complete failure of the highly anticipated Vanguard or the slow and painful delays of Age of Conan, mmo's have consistently failed and are apparently planning on continueing to fail in the future.

Let's face it something is seriously wrong with Age of Conan. With the way companies release games way before they actually should be released so that they can have paying beta customers, there is no reason for the constant delays that we are forced to deal with in age of conan. This leads me to believe that AoC is having serious problems that aren't going to be fixed anytime soon."

You sir, have no fucking clue do you.

Lets face it - it's pretty obvious....

Dude, watch the GDC video's.